Both, if that makes sense.
It’s not arbitrary, it’s based on the items being BiS.
Not at all actually lol
But not that best in slot, you can get some items that will do every well in wpvp and general BG’s without getting rank 13. Between dungeons, the raids you can pug, blue pvp set and rep BG gear you can get a pretty awesome pvp set.
And that note if you want BIS pvp gear you will need exalted or was it just revered in all BG’s…
What do you mean “not that best in slot?” Do you know what BiS means?
They’re the best items in the game by an exceedingly high margin for a long time. Most items for me don’t get replaced until Naxx or AQ40.
What are you talking about? The rank 13 gear is BiS for PvE.
I know…
It means you have picked a super super exclusive club by wanting rank 13+ and you need to set more reasonable expectations.
As I said even for feral you can get a very awesome set that will rock in pvp without rank 13+.
Which items, and what stats are you gaining over 2nd best, out of curiosity, that you are willing to grind to rank 13 to obtain? Or are you getting it purely on the principle that one must obtain BiS? Because the latter is purely a player-created issue unrelated to this idea that the problem is Blizzard releasing BGs a couple of weeks too early.
sounds to me you are so sad that you don’t have a warning when groups of ally are coming for you… /cry /cry /cry… Spy should be removed completely period.
Not for nothing but
You do realize that i can still see you cast stealth from 200 yards right?
That is without the addon.
Careful of people adapting, dont forget to be as sneaky as possible
You say that … wait till BG times for one faction are huge … for example Oceanic horde queues should be very long … horde will cry and cry … what will Blizzard do (quickly) to appease their preferred faction ?
BiS is a reasonable expectation for a player like myself. I’m not just some random newb who thinks I’ll play a few BGs and get Rank 13.
I’m PvPing 16 hours a day every day since the ranking system was released to get what I want.
I don’t want the PvP gear for PvP.
Threat
Head:
Eye of Rend -> Rank 13 Head = +334 Armor, +7 Strength, +19 Agility, +12 Stamina, -1% Crit
Shoulders:
Truestrike Shoulders -> Rank 13 Shoulders = +435 Armor, +14 Strength, +14 Agility, +13 Stamina, -2% Hit, -24 Attack Power
Chest:
Cadaverous Armor -> Rank 13 Chest = +445 Armor, +17 Strength, +6 Agility, +19 Stamina, +1% Crit, -60 Attack Power
Hands:
Devilsaur Gauntlets -> Rank 12 Hands = +354 Armor, +20 Strength, +19 Agility, +15 Stamina, -28 Attack Power, -1% Crit
Legs:
Devilsaur Leggings -> Rank 12 Legs = +344 Armor, +24 Strength, +18 Agility, +18 Stamina, -46 Attack Power
Feet:
Pads of the Dread Wolf -> Rank 12 Feet = +303 Armor, +18 Strength, +11 Agility, -40 Attack Power
Lose Devilsaur 2/2 = -2% Hit
Gain Epic PvP 6/6 = +20 Stamina, +40 Attack Power
+2,215 Armor
+100 Strength * 1.1 (Kings) = 110 = 220 Attack Power
+87 Agility * 1.1 (Kings) = 96 Agility = 4.8% Crit and Dodge
+77 Stamina * 1.3 (Kings + Heart of the Wild) = 100 (1000 HP)
-4% Hit
+3.8% Crit
+4.8% Dodge
+22 Attack Power
Well, it’s not that one must, but rather that I want to because I want to be the best I can be.
I am capable of obtaining the gear, so I will do so.
I’ll get the rank gear regardless. I’d just rather get the rank doing world PvP, is all, and that won’t be feasible when BGs come out. The only way I could get rank 13 outside of BGs is if no one in my realm does BGs.
I’m sorry you’re dealing with terrible feral itemization in general for pve. But yeah you knew you wanted the short end of the stick the instant you picked feral in classic for pve.
You should be asking for class balance changes or asking for the changes that defaulted all weapons to add +FAP to weapons. INstead of trying to screw over people who knew what classic is just so you can try to get your BIS which actually isn’t even that good for pve anyways.
I’m not complaining about the itemization, and yes, I knew what I was getting into.
I’m also not complaining about having to earn the rank. I’m saying I’d rather do it in world PvP, and I want the only time it is possible to do so to last a little longer than Rank 8.
Absolutely not. I don’t want changes. Changes entirely defeat the point of Classic.
Hahah, what are you even talking about? It’s insanely good for PvE. Do you have any idea what you’re talking about?
In any case, I’m not screwing over anyone. If you didn’t want world PvP, don’t play on a PvP realm. If you only want to PvP for BGs, you can wait patiently for them to come out on a PvE realm.
You will get 2/3 of the game’s lifespan with BGs for you to PvP casually or whatever. We get 1/6th (not even that, really) of the game’s lifespan where world PvP actually matters, and then it is GONE.
You (and the people asking for BGs to be rushed) are the one trying to screw us over, because you are too impatient to wait for content you’re not even all that serious about doing.
But you are… by wanting everyone else to be lagged because feral has terrible itemization you are complaining.
But you want classic to conform to what you want classic to be.
Yes you end up a bad rogue.
Delaying BG’s screws over everyone who wants them sooner than you happen to hit rank 13.
Rogues can’t offtank, switch to healing, and don’t provide any utility.
Me wanting BGs to be delayed has nothing to do with wanting my gear, buddy. I will get the rank and the gear rewards with or without BGs. Either address my actual points or I’m doing replying to you.
No, I want Classic to conform to what vanilla was.
People were rank 14 for quite a long time before BGs came out.
So the answer to “Do you have any idea what you’re talking about?” is obviously no. I’m a TANK.
Why would I care about Armor and Stamina as a DPS?
And guess what you can do all that as a healing druid.
Healer druids don’t have the build to offtank, and they don’t bring any damage.
Also you’re the one that begged for hybrid buffs - why are you now downplaying Feral and telling them they can’t do anything but heal?
Okay. Fair enough.
It’s a shame for you that Blizzard’s release plans don’t suit your preferred way of reaching your goals, but you’re not the only one in that boat.
Anything a feral druid can OT in classic can be OT by a resto druid.
The difference is that the healing role is much more important. And when a feral has terrible dps and can’t MT… you might have 1 per raid?