yeah but the army came back and kicked the horde out in 8.1
Problem besides constant whinning is also trying to guilt trip Horde players and even comparing them to literal naaazis for something they can t control aka what happens on this fanfic of a plot.
It is unfair, it is childish and judging how many people here agree with me. Annoying!
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After the Horde had been strained fighting the rest of the Alliance and with the help of the Gilneans, which thusfar had only manifested as a Darkshore warfront. What revenge they got came only after the rest of the factions pitched in, that canât really be considered repelling the entire Horde even if they retook Ashenvale now can it?
And thatâs the fundamental problem with that statement. If the Night Elves could just beat the entire Horde, the Horde wouldnât of been rampaging in Ashenvale nearly as long as they were.
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You know the entire warfront lasted only one night, and then the Horde presence of Darkshore was history. One night? Thatâs it, then she was done, dead, gone, end of the road.
In Cata, too, there were two invasions of Night Elf land, one in Wolfheart, the other ingame, and that too ended in a massacre, in which the Night Elves undid everything - mind you - everything that had been done on the Horde side before, with much less effort, by the way, even though they were working on the Hyjal on the side and also cushioning the destructive forces of Cataclysm from their land.
This assumes that the Highking really has the support of all members, which he does not have. Your scenario does not apply in reality, nor in this game.
When Tyrande turned away Turalyon, Alleria too. Genn contradicted him and said publicly that he was wrong, finally it was made clear with this scene, no, they donât agree with him and the Alliance doesnât do what the highking wants.
I donât contradict you either, I just tell you that with Destructive Behavior on Destructive Behavior nothing has ever been achieved 
I even agree with you, this is disrespectful, and this is outrageous.
Kind of just shows how weak the horde is and no never said the nelves could have defeated the whole horde, but if the army was there, they would have held on long enough for the rest of the alliance to come, and then together they would have beat the horde
never said this, I never said the nelves can beat the whole horde by themselves, Just you know if the horde cant fight them in darkshore and the highlands and any other fronts will, the alliance is also splitting up forces you know
For the HORDE to attack the night elf land at all, not only did the night elf army have to be gone, but also one of their leaders.
Saurfang, who knew the Horde military well as a whole, said that with Tyrande and Malfurion there was almost no chance of victory, almost zero.
Later, partisan troops of the night elves and young sentinels, with the support of Malfurion and some druids, have done more damage to the Horde than the other way around.
Only Teldrassilâs Burning changed that, but when Tyrande finally became the Night Warrior in 8.1 and called in the Sentinels behind her, it was over. The Hordeâs entire power was useless against these combined forces.
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Trust me i tried to reason with her more times than I can count and if there s someone who s beyound redemption and is just here to complain for the sake of complaining. That one is Elessana.
As you notice, I do not judge you at all, I respect your opinion and decision, but I think then you should simply turn away and let the case rest, in fact you are only annoying yourself, if you now constantly sting in the same waspsâ nest, when you know it exactly that it is so.
Yes the Darkshore warfront lasted one night, because the Darkshore Warfront is literally shrouded in a perpetual night from which multiple days have come and gone. Youâre called to that place while playing Horde expressly because the sun has ceased to rise.
Likewise your assumption that the Horde force was âhistoryâ is misguided. The Horde PC still stomps through that place, raises the dead with Nathanos, and then the Warfront progresses until eventually the Night Elves win. How? Decimation? retreat? weâre not really shown, but more then one Horde soldier came back from Darkshore alive, or rather, undead in some cases.
Also if you think this scenario does not apply in reality then I have a very lucrative deal on the nearest bridge iâd like to sell you. Ultimately Anduin decided to aid Tyrande and Genn despite their contradictions, but had he wanted to simply withhold that would of been within his rights completely. But again, young Terenas Menethil, and he chose to send you along with them. Shame too, choosing whether to follow Anduin or Tyrande would of been a interesting moral choice branch.
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Iâm complaining for the sake of hopefully getting something better in the future, and itâs not like Iâm alone with my concerns. I might see things less positive than others but the points are mostly the same: The Night Elf story (especially in BfA) was very very bad and they shouldnât just ignore them now and hope that people forget about it. I know the chance of changing something is very low, but as long as itâs thereâŠ
And while I know that I may not always behave in the right way, I still never reported people for disagreeing with me or called others to report them, you likely just misunderstood something.
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The last cinema we saw happened right after Nathanos fight. The cinemas were originally linked back then and if Blizz hadnât needed a longer content, as recently confirmed, it would have ended there as well. Darkshore didnât take Lorewise very long, they were literally torn apart by the Black moon Army.
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well the victory is after the quest, so obiviously, while the horde victory phase of darkshore is the canon start, the whole horde warfront is non canon
Proof you are complaining for the sake of complaining.
You say they are ignoring the story is bad and want to forget about it in a topic whose name is:
BLIZZARD HAS HEARD night elf fan points.
And said post has a link to an interview with them admiting their mistakes.
And even with that kind of evidence you still spill the same broken record about them not caring and hating nelves and they will never fix it and all this things everyone is sick and tired of reading from you
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Iâm not sure I agree.
First, those who died at Teldrassil were explicitly non-combatants, so their loss does not diminish the number of combatants available to defend the forest. You could argue that there is a loss of support and infrastructure to keep the fighters supplied and cared for, and that might be true in the real world, but thatâs a level of realism that I donât think Blizzard is interested in exploring in the game.
Second, the bulk of the Night Elf army was traveling south during the War of Thorns. Now that they have returned, the Night Elves have much more ability to defend their territory than they had during the WoT. Not to mention that Malfurion is still around and Tyrande is present now (she was in Eastern Kingdoms for most of the WoT), with a power-up that also affects quite a few of her sentinels.
WoT: Malfurion and a small portion of the combat-ready NEs vs. 1/2 Horde army + Sylvanas + Saurfang -> Horde succeeds at great cost.
Now: Malfurion + Tyrande + Night Warrior power-up + virtually all combat-ready NEs vs. Horde - (Sylvanas + Saurfang) -> Definitely not weaker than during the WoT.
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Even assuming thatâs correct that doesnât change that the land had been shrouded in perpetual twilight for awhile, and once you win that Warfront youâre still doing mop up with the Horde forces there and their holdouts. Likewise just because you get the victory cutscene from Tyrande doesnât mean that the Horde canât come back and try to reestablish their foothold, we just have Tyrande declaring victory and then the Warfront continues.
Weâll see if they give a canon amount of days for how long the fighting in Darkshore lasted for.
it doesnt cause blizzard said they won the ending of 8.1 has the horde weeks from losing the whole war. I really doubt that losing the 7th legion fleet in 8.2 affected what happened in the highlands or darkshore
If no member of the Horde is alive, no one can return, as the Horde paid for their arrogance in the cinemaâŠwith the lives of all the soldiers stationed there, and if the Horde doesnât want to continue the war to pointlessly put their soldiers through the meatgrinder, then they should just give up this warfront, which they will.
Saurfang confirmed even before 8.1, Malfurion and Tyrande in pairs are too much for the entire Horde. But now the Horde is weaker than to the WOT because of Sylvanas, and the two are still there, stronger and more powerful than ever.
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I mean I actually agree with most of what you said. Iâm arguing from a realistic standpoint rather then a presentation standpoint, because ultimately if Blizzard says the High King cannot exert political influence then he cannot, whether or not what he does in game directly contradicts that or whatever is shown is vastly different.
Which is generally why people are upset about the High King to begin with. Itâs much the same with the Night Elves. They might say theyâre stronger, but they donât look stronger and previous information contradicts the idea thatâs even possible. They might say theyâre independent, but thusfar they look like they heavily rely on the Alliance for support, so on and so forth.
But ultimately Blizzard isnât about a detail oriented, or even a narrative oriented game, and developers have expressed disdain for the idea of canon limiting them in the past.
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The biggest problem I see is that the Night Warrior makes armies useless, which is a problem for me in the long run. If an army no longer serves any purpose because the number of forces is not important, but only the AE range, then this will not end well in the long run.
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