So i get kicked from a dungeon group at 4.7k gs, for being to low of gearscore…AND I HAVE TO WAIT 30 min FOR A DESERTER PUNISHMENT??? This makes absolutely no sense and needs to be fixed. I’m sorry but its hard enough when i have to deal with moronic players who just blindly kick so they can get a 6k+ gs dps in to make their run faster, but when i get punished for it a second time…that is insane…really turns me off to keeping up with wrath. I’m trying to push through the player drought and lack of attention blizz is giving wrath but this is getting old man.
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I’m inclined to agree with you. The whole vote-to-kick and deserter punishment is messed up.
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It’s there for a clear reason.
The community is the reason and having it is better than before it was added.
Pre it being a thing if eg oculus poped tanks would go I’m not running them teliport to town or afk so you kick them wasting your kick cool down time as well as wasting your time by needing to find a new person after va doing the run. As the kick would make them avoid the 30 min cd.
As such the 30 min cd was added to kicks as well made before the first boss or before a set time past.
The cost of giving people kicked for other reasons that debuff also was an accepted con of the change and has worked well.
That being said the change of those that kick more often not being able to kick till an ever increasing time has past that goes up with each kick and down with each cleared run without a kick. Should be added. As this was the change to help with this case.
Don’t want to wait the 30 min stop giving people a reason to kick you and no most people don’t kick for low gs from what I have seen in fact haven’t seen a single group even start one for that yet. I’ve seen many start them on players that die and don’t walk back making us res you wasting more time by needing to stop, often dead due to being low gs which is a legit kick or for comming with gear obv used only to bypass the min ilvl requirement.
In general groups just want to clear fast so taking time to kick you and get another thab it likly also low gs as many running now days are is just wasting time. I’m going to bet you were kicked for more than jsut low gs. As they just got a equally geared player to replace you more likly than not.
While I have sympathy for you, lets be real, there is much more to your story. Players don’t kick low gs for being low gs but because they are:
- doing less damage than tank
- complaining about things
- pulling packs without tank
- dying a lot
I have been playing Wrath Classic since release, with main and alts and I have never seen anyone being kicked just for being low gs but because they are just terrible players or have terrible personalities. I have seen people being kicked with 6k gs because they kept blaming the tank and had a very negative attitude towards the group.
But I have to agree that 30min deserter is a bit harsh, but you could also just form a group during that time and do the dungeons with people at your gs, or friends/guildmates.
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It’s a change from original Wrath. You didn’t get the deserter debuff when you were kicked.
All this does is empower toxic gatekeepers. Just another terrible change.
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I 100% agree with this. Any of the RDF runs I’ve done; I’ve had lowered geared players. As long as they were trying, not making trouble and totally hindering the group - it was a non-issue… Everyone was there to get the daily done quick and ez. I can’t think of one run someone was kicked because of GS. The only times a vote kick was initiated was due to toxic attitude or AFK.
But agree, the debuff should be some sort of “stacking one”. 1 min 1st offense, 5 mins next offense, etc.
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Blizzard doesn’t care and isn’t going to do anything.
- Farm honor gear to quickly get 5k+.
- Prioritize the 3 new ICC dungeons. They are easier than the rest despite having better items.
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they still havent fix a bug that was reported on the PTR you want them to do this…
good luck…
I am pretty surprised at the responses I’ve gotten. From what I’m gathering, some of you think I’ve just made this up? Others have agreed i see but it is a bit frustrating seeing the more negative or opposing responses. Pretty disappointing in all honesty seeing as my situation is 100% authentic and the majority seem to be telling me “sucks to suck” lol… copium of a problem that is glaringly a problem…IMO.
If i was a jerk, or played like actual garbage…would seem silly to waste the time to come onto the forums’ and voice my concern i would think. This is mainly a response to @amordrone, @yehmi and @radalpho…“don’t want to be kicked don’t give them a reason…?”
I’m a pretty easy going guy and in all honesty, usually i don’t speak at all in group chat. Once i get to know people better i can be a bit more sociable but that is normally in Disc or something not so much in the in-game text chat. I’m fairly certain my attitude isn’t an issue lol At 4.6k-ish GS I would beat a lot of 5-6k GS players in damage (rogues are pretty good early on gearing) but somehow i still managed to be kicked from around 6-12 dungeon groups before the first trash mob was pulled. No words spoken. No damage done…poof, kicked with a 30 min penalty…but you’re saying that’s my fault? That something outrageous must have happened or i wouldn’t have been kicked right? And THAT is actually my entire point lol, that i joined a group said no words and was kicked and it makes NO SENSE yet still it was done…time and time again.
Maybe some players have managed to sense presences or aura’s through the internet and mine has just rubbed them the wrong way so they had to be rid of me…if that is in fact the case i concede and will admit defeat… but i thoroughly doubt it. Good news is that I’m around 6k GS now and don’t have those issues anymore, at least on my rogue lol but I have had this issue on EVERY alt that I’ve played in Wrath and currently i have one of every class in the game at 80. So that’s quite a few kicked characters.
I think its a silly to have the opportunity to punish someone for nothing. I understand the rule is in place with confidence in the community but i am proof that it is not going very well… and i think voicing that and wanting the game to do better and be better doesn’t make me a liar or a jerk, just someone who wants better for the game.
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I think they’re saying that there’s more to the story than just what you’ve given, which honestly isn’t a bad thing you should take pretty everything you read with a grain of salt.
You would think that but people have done it before, people fabricating scenarios so that they can get more people to lean into their opinion that X should be changed/happen and some people simply don’t know that they’re bad players (not saying you are).
Same I don’t really talk at all and when I do it’s mostly questions regarding the dungeon. We skipping X boss? You need that piece? etc.
I’m sorry but there’s no way (to my knowledge) that a player with <5k GS can out DPS me, a 6.4k Fire Mage or my 6.1k Balance Druid.
I think you should just roll with the punches, getting mad about it will only suck the fun out of the game. For Cataclysm you’re likely to see this behaviour tenfold and if it’s happening to you as often as you claim then I’d suggest getting a pre-made group for dungeons for Cataclysm or, you do what I’ll be doing for Cataclysm which is both questing and RDF whenever it pops.
I do think that the 30min debuff is both good and bad, it’s not being used in the designed way, it’s meant to punish those who are greifing or being verbally abusive in chat. Currently though it’s being used as a means to cull the herd in an attempt to pick and choose who gets to join their dungeon groups which gets exacerbated when those players are grouped with 2 other people.
Just roll with the punches.
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It’s 100% a them problem.
I’ve yet to be kicked on alts that are using pvp gear to hit the item level requirements and the rest are blues/greens.
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It’s almost like every change since vanilla has just made people less and less invested, until you have to make rules to keep them there.
Finally, we’ve arrived at ai parties. Congrats humans
Honestly, I would say just don’t run titan rune dungeons, and stick to FoS, and maybe PoS. Takes a while, but that’s how I got my characters up to 5.6k doing just dungeons.
Titan rune dungeons have always been overtuned for the gear they drop. Prior to RDF being in the game, you simply wouldn’t get an invite to groups if you were under 4k/4.5k gs (for alpha/beta). And if you formed your own group, people would inspect you and complain, or leave the group.
I formed a group for TOK Beta for the daily, back before RDF was in game. We had a 4.3k gs ret pally in the group. Before anything gets pulled, the priest whispers me “do you kick this pally or not?”. I tell them I’m not kicking the paladin, they reply with “well i am out. not doing hc ++ with 4,3k pvp gs n00b” and drop the group. Then the tank leaves.
People absolutely do kick for PvP gear, or being undergeared.
There is a way - you went afk for 3min
Lemme splain… from what I remember, people would pay tank and healers gold to queue them, bail then do it over and over back in the day. There were other issues as well, go in, get buffs and leave but keep buffs. But you said “left” after getting in. The work around was to get kicked… so as with military basic training, some ruin it for all and everyone gets the deserter buff.
This here… ^^
I took a priest that I used my insta 80 on. I did I think 2 WGs plus cashed in BoA honor. I was doing heroics in less than a day.
Also (too brag), first time in WG I got like 14k honor which is most I have ever seen but hordies wanted to fight on the road and all i did was run around throwing heals and shields. What a great day. So WG quests, a couple WG runs and I think I did the daily BG and the gear is generally good to DPS in and heal for that matter depending on how your gear and such.
This is why all of my friends who came back to play and prepare for Cataclysm decided not to bother with Gamma at all, way too toxic and I do not use the word (Toxic) a lot but in this case people truly have issues.
They seriously need to make Cataclysm Alpha/beta/Gamma easier and remove all bonus affix and just make it a simple (More Health/Damage) type difficulty otherwise the gatekeeping is gonna be even worst in Cata dungeons.
it does happen and it happened to me as well but I d say its extremely rare, certainly never happened twice in a row and my view on this is “phew, dodged a bullet there” cuz you dont really want to play with players that act that way for sure
the people who vote to kick you should get a debuff too, that way theres some insentive to NOT kick someone.
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Just curious - what debuff would they get? No loot, 90% dps loss? Zero gold? Total disband of the group?
I don’t think the kicking is as widespread as people want to make it seems like it is.
I see it all the time the CS forums (and they are my fav)…I got banned for 7 days and I did nothing wrong etc etc etc… only to find out 95% did exactly what they said they didn’t do. I feel the same holds true here… 95% of the ones kicked were from something other than GS, they just don’t want to admit to it.
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