Wither nurfs are so extream the difference duration wise was approx 6M down to 3.x M +haste nurf. Lowest dmg and slowest dmg producing spec has been nurfed into the ground don’t bother its just a frustrating Pile of you know what now
It still is our strongest DoT, it deals as much damage overall as MR and it’s just a DoT. Do you really need a class to be completely broken to be “viable”?
Quit doomsaying, it’s much better than what we have now.
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You even played Beta? The sheer amount of dmg currently being dished out and heals and shields affliction is an extreamly EZ target now and no killing power. You can say whatever you want they nurfed this spec into the ground and its right where they want it Blizzard has hated Affliction every single season, xpac. Last good aff spec was leigon
Everyone got their defensives nerfed and everyone have more damage, Aff included. If you have trouble surviving, try kiting and use your mobility.
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If you’re worried about it from a PVP perspective, I’m pretty sure their current PVP tuning was to essentially wipe the slate with all the PVP modifiers for an easier time balancing when TWW is actually live.
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So no you haven’t played Beta then because this statements 100% untrue. Aff lost about 2.5 - 3M DPS per 18 sec rotation
I’m not comparing this TWW Beta iteration to previous iterations, I’m talking about DF compared to TWW. On Beta every tuning iteration some classes get nerfs and buffs.
Compared to early iterations of Beta, yes Wither got much weaker, but again, it was completely BROKEN, it had to be nerfed.
If you are talking from PvP perspective, just think about how Aff works on arena. Its main job is to put a big pressure on the whole enemy team, forcing heals to stress out and spend a lot of mana, because you’re doing overall much more damage than any other class, even now. If we had Wither from the first iterations, nobody would even stand a chance, that’s not fair at all.
I main Aff warlock, I want it to be good, but destroying everything with just one DoT isn’t a good thing.
Look at the current DPS thats dots or instant and Wither was small beans compaired to Frost fever or death coil for DKk doing 8-10M dmg, warriors and Feral hitting for instant 1M+ hits. If the rest of these classes don’t get the same fate Affliction WILL be a dead spec just like past xpacks because its too slow and far to weak to compete
That’s certainly the position I’m taking. It’s not perfect, but it is a vast improvement over current affliction.
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Just looked up some footages. They’re a few weeks old, so it’s not very precise.
Solo shuffle, over a roughly 2 min fights, both players are good at their classes:
DK:
- Death coil - 6.7m damage;
- Frost fever - 5.7m damage;
- Virulent plague - 5.3m damage;
Aff:
- Wither - 21.6m damage (17.2m after the last nerf);
- Agony - 6.2m damage;
Wither alone do as much damage as Coil + Frost fever + Virulent plague.
This is nothing new, they’ve always had a lot of damage if they can connect, especially on bursts. Don’t forget that DoT classes and direct damage classes have kinda different roles.
LOL there is no way that those stats are right telling you right now. I have Frost Fever do 8-10M damage single target dmg alone on me
Idk, I’m just telling what I see, how long was you fight?
1-1.5 min maybe not sure but wasn’t long it was a 2v1 type que pop so him and me went 1v1
Did you play Aff or Destro? Because if you were Demo, he could pad on your demons.
8-10m Frost fever over a 1-1.5min fight in ST doesn’t sound right.
Affliction lock
What you’re saying cant be true. Just looked up all the DK tweaks for the last month, they got some buffs, but not to Frost fever and also, they got a big nerf to a lot of skills, but again, not to Frost fever.
Maybe you’ve encountered a display bug in your Details or something, but what you’re saying just can’t be true.
A positive side to a wither nerf is Soul Harvester actually being a contender.
I prefer Hellcaller but it’s not good design for one spec to just want one of the two options all the time. Soul Harvester is also a well designed Hero Power.
Wither damage wasn’t “what little we had”. There’s been a ton of great changes. And if Affliction was hinged on Wither damage then we were in big trouble anyways.
21 days ago my Wither was doing 160k damage (crits) and an additional 60k (non-crit) with the Acute mechanic.
Today it’s doing 110k crits (45k non-crit) and 40k Acute ticks.
This is in all green gear.
This is still significantly more than an 18stack Agony, which is currently doing 29k per tick.
What I’m taking away from this is in TWW a larger portion of our damage comes from DoTs. That’s a win for me.
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PS on the topic of Frost Fever i’m not really sure what you saw, but Frost Fever on beta is doing 31k ticks every 1.5secs and my DK is in better gear than my lock.
It is kind of lame that full stack Agony is about on-par with Frost Fever though.
Did you guys really think wither was going to stay doing about 38% of all your damage??
We knew that ability was going to get tuned and it will most likely get another tuning.
Though destro will probably get more additional buffs going from the performances of the ones testing in beta.
Affliction still seems to be doing fairly solid in the small sample size of keys I’ve seen.