Blizzard, A Solution To The RDF/LFG Debate

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Manfighting-westfall

Really unfortunate that you’re issuing false reports then, I guess.

You have a report button! let them make the determination! thats what theyre here for thankfully.

[Manfighting-westfall]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

They very clearly define harassment as INSULTINGLY referring to another player. It doesn’t matter if the insult is accurate or not.

It does matter if it’s accurate, because an insult has to be inaccurate or a pejorative to be an insult in the first place. For some behaviors there is no way to talk about them in a way that is simultaneously accurate and completely without any inflammatory connotation… because the behavior is inflammatory by nature. In those cases the person behaving in those toxic ways is insulting themselves, essentially.

[Lou-shadowstrike]

Also, from a design perspective, having two methods of grouping/matchmaking is not good unless you have an enormous playerbase.

This is the whole reason why they made it so you have to be queued in the new LFG tool to post in LFG chat. They don’t want the effective pool to be fragmented in such a way that people can’t find each other.

This more than anything is the reason RDF and no-RDF probably can’t really co-exist. There probably just aren’t enough players to support both.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Manfighting-westfall

because an insult has to be inaccurate or a pejorative to be an insult in the first place.

so thats not how that works, but this is all going to play out regardless, thats why we have a reporting function!

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Lou-shadowstrike

I think the OP in this thread is on the right track; I just think the numbers are way off. It would need to be implemented and iterated on to strike the right balance, probably.

I agree with this!

[Manfighting-westfall]

I mean it is how it works. Do you actually believe that people should be able to behave in whatever nasty, selfish, toxic ways they want, and making a note of those disgusting behaviors literally at all is what should be punishable? Because that is the only possible outcome given it is not possible to describe a universally disapproved of behavior without that description being negative.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Manfighting-westfall

It does matter if it’s accurate,

Can you show me in the CoC where it says it only counts as harassment if it’s not accurate? I’ll wait.

@Manfighting-westfall

because an insult has to be inaccurate or a pejorative to be an insult in the first place.

Are you changing the definition of insult now?

in·sult

*verb*

/inˈsəlt/

1. speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.

First page of google.

Definition of insult

(Entry 1 of 2)

transitive verb

: to treat with insolence, indignity, or contempt

Merriam Webster.

verb (used with object)

to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.

to affect as an affront; offend or demean.

Dictionary dotcom.

Can we please refrain from making up definitions to words? No where does it mention an insult must be inaccurate.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Manfighting-westfall

Do you actually believe that people should be able to behave in whatever nasty, selfish, toxic ways they want,

Absolutely not! and like i pointed out, the report function is there. Its not us you need to convince, and if this is all common knowledge im sure the mods are high tailing it in here to agree with you as we speak.

[Manfighting-westfall]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.

Not disrespectful or scornful if it’s accurate.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

to treat with insolence, indignity, or contempt

Again, not insolent, indignant, or contemptuous if it’s accurate. All these things can be additionally true, but in the case of an accurate description they are not a requirement. An utterly dispassionate AI would still have to use terms which carry negative connotations at times because at times those are the accurate terms to use, even despite them being incapable of any judgement.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Manfighting-westfall

but in the case of an accurate description they are not a requirement.

like i said if and when you do catch a vacay you can absolutely write up a clearly worded defense in your appeal!

[Manfighting-westfall]

I know your mind is completely racing right now, but sincerely take a step back and look at yourself and how you’re acting here. Like, c’mon. Seriously. You are at least ten years past the point where you should have been acting like an adult.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Manfighting-westfall

Not disrespectful or scornful if it’s accurate

Yes, it is. Do I really have to cite definitions of disrespectful and scornful for you?

dis·re·spect·ful

/ˌdisrəˈspek(t)fəl/

adjective

1. showing a lack of respect or courtesy; impolite

Again, no mention of accuracy in this definition.

scorn·ful

/ˈskôrnfəl/

adjective

1. feeling or expressing contempt or derision.

None here either. Words are real things you know. They have actual meanings. You don’t simply make them up from conversation to conversation.

@Manfighting-westfall

Again, not insolent, indignant, or contemptuous if it’s accurate

Do I REALLY have to cite these definitions too?

[Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Nyseine-whitemane

So than you should have no problem with giving manual grouping a 50% bonus to experience?

You claim it’s all about socialization. You’re already getting all the great and wonderful socialization that comes from manually forming a group. That should be sufficient reward for you. Those who use the rdf lose out on all of that socialization. In your eyes that should be enough of a penalty. Or is all the claims from those against the rdf about socialization just a lie.

[Lou-shadowstrike]

Can’t it be both?

What if I want to keep manual grouping to preserve the social fabric of the game experience, and also want to stay competitive on progression?

I am always going to advocate against something that undermines that.

[Furkk-sentinels]

My solution: eliminate dungeons.

[Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

disrespectful and scornful

Isn’t that a social interaction that you want in the game. We could ignore you but then you wouldn’t get any of social interaction you desire so much that you want to force us to engage by eliminating rdf. Social interaction isn’t just kind and supportive. It can be critical, scornful, or disrespectful. If you think it’s good to force people to socially interact with you you can’t complain that you don’t like how they socially interact. You have to accept the social interaction you get.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers

Isn’t that a social interaction that you want in the game

When have I ever shown this is the social interaction I want in the game?

[Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

have I ever shown this is the social interaction I want in the game?

You don’t get to pick and choose how other people socially interact. They aren’t your slaves or your puppets. You don’t control them. Those against rdf have forced us to manually form groups, claiming it’s good for socialization. Don’t be surprised at the type of socialization you get because of that.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers

You don’t get to pick and choose how other people socially interact

Yes you do. We literally have a CoC and EULA that we must abide by when it comes to social interactions. What on earth are you talking about?

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

We literally have a CoC and EULA

People forget about this! lol.