Blizz you gotta separate out XP-Off Twinking

[Kai-wyrmrest-accord (Kai)]

Nope, not at all. what I am saying is with the heirloom pieces available you only have to keep up with 4 pieces of gear at least up until 60. Perhaps longer with the looming of 8.1.5 on the horizon. 4 pieces of gear, that’s it. You sound as if you don’t even realize how close the gear gap is from say a req lvl 30 piece of gear and a req lvl 39 piece is. I have stated earlier that the issue is spec and class issues but you failed to respond. You have made your mind up that separation is the answer. Gear is the least of the problem but you all refuse to see it so we all get to go around in circles until the thread gets locked.

Will you quit being so aggressive and just talk? As I was from the start? I didn’t come here to talk down on people, I came here to offer my thoughts on what’s a very real problem in the game.

Now, to address the things you’ve brought up, that could maybe hold water in lower level brackets? Not entirely. But from 60’s+, it’s not that easy. It’s probably not even that easy before it. Even with just four slots (which isn’t the case at all for everybody), there’s still a very good chance you’ll outlevel your current bracket before getting the items you’d need to compete.

Edit: Even then, there’s next to no chance you’d make the gold needed in that time to enchant/gem/optimize appropriately.

Balancing doesn’t require separation. It requires Blizzard looking at class and spec OP abilities and adjusting appropriately. Again, your mind is made up…separation is the key…with you

Separating characters that have an eternity to gear as they wish from characters just passing through the bracket is a stepping stone on the way to achieving such balance if stats are not equalized in some manner.

Another BG down. htt ps://i.imgur.com/XgYLnAi.jpg

Currently 4-0 and no GY camping/twinks running rampant two shotting everyone/anyone mentioning twinks in chat.

That’s lucky! Sure wish I was you! But you can see the back-to-back-to-back posts I made yesterday, as well as the day before. Mauden’s posted his as well. Others have in this and other topics, too. If you’re trying to draw doubt in its existence, you have quite a task ahead of you.

[Eilane-kilrogg]

Hunter is the only thing I haven’t leveled since MoP, so I figured I’d level one now and document the BGs until I get tired of doing nothing but them

I don’t need luck, we have other posters ( hi Juga! ) having the same experience as myself. There’s a pattern coming about here…

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

Separating characters that have an eternity to gear as they wish from characters just passing through the bracket is a stepping stone on the way to achieving such balance if stats are not equalized in some manner.

Gear is the least of the problem but you all refuse to see it

….10/char…

[Kai-wyrmrest-accord (Kai)]

….10/char…

Was this meant to be a mic drop? You made a claim that gear isn’t the problem, yet the posts/pics point clearly to the contrary. Your counter is reasserting it’s not a problem?

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

But from 60’s+, it’s not that easy. It’s probably not even that easy before it. Even with just four slots (which isn’t the case at all for everybody), there’s still a very good chance you’ll outlevel your current bracket before getting the items you’d need to compete.

Honor tokens can be used to buy the old PvP gear, which has gem slots that accept gems bought with more honor tokens. Maybe Blizzard should buff the rate of receiving honor tokens?

Edit: Even then, there’s next to no chance you’d make the gold needed in that time to enchant/gem/optimize appropriately.

Money problems aren’t really an issue when you can buy tokens for currency conversion

[Kai-wyrmrest-accord (Kai)]

But from 60’s+, it’s not that easy. It’s probably not even that easy before it. Even with just four slots (which isn’t the case at all for everybody), there’s still a very good chance you’ll outlevel your current bracket before getting the items you’d need to compete.

Honor tokens can be used to buy the old PvP gear, which has gem slots that accept gems bought with more honor tokens. Maybe Blizzard should buff the rate of recveiving honor tokens?

Edit: Even then, there’s next to no chance you’d make the gold needed in that time to enchant/gem/optimize appropriately.

Money problems aren’t really an issue when you can buy tokens for currency conversion

So, levelers should be made to twink to fight twinks in BGs, even if they managed to do so before leaving the bracket?

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

So, levelers should be made to twink to fight twinks in BGs, even if they managed to do so before leaving the bracket?

It’s a player vs player environment

why expect to step into a Player vs Player environment thinking that there aren’t players there making the most of their characters

[Kai-wyrmrest-accord (Kai)]

It’s a player vs player environment

It’s PvP, yes. But not progression. Once you turn your experience off, you’re entering a progression phase of your own with its own unique optimizations.

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

Your counter is reasserting it’s not a problem

Because Gear ISN’T the problem. Mic drop? you do realize you have to type 10 CHARACTERS in order to post, right? You assume the gear is the issue but it’s not. I can log onto a level 30 with the same gear as a level 39 of the same class and the difference is minimal.

So, levelers should be made to twink to fight twinks in BGs, even if they managed to do so before leaving the bracket?

Like I said, all you see is separation, you’re not looking for balance, a middle ground or anything else. You want to reap all the rewards yet sacrifice nothing or do anthing to get it. You just expect it.

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

So I shouldn’t expect to find people there that have put effort into their characters, xp on or not?

[Hayhey-bleeding-hollow (Hayhey)]

The striving has cost us pvp vendors, over pruning and a lower player base doing pvp… As Dr Phil says

HOWS THAT WORKIN OUT FOR YA???

[Kai-wyrmrest-accord (Kai)]

Because Gear ISN’T the problem. Mic drop? you do realize you have to type 10 CHARACTERS in order to post, right? You assume the gear is the issue but it’s not. I can log onto a level 30 with the same gear as a level 39 of the same class and the difference is minimal.

So, though I don’t intend for this to sound hostile, it might. But you’re wrong. Blatantly. That ordeal with the MM hunter way above attests to that. One killed me in a global; I killed the other. The former was a twink; the latter wasn’t.

Like I said, all you see is separation, you’re not looking for balance, a middle ground or anything else. You want to reap all the rewards yet sacrifice nothing or do anthing to get it. You just expect it.

Am I not? Then what was the wall of text above where I carefully demonstrated a method of including twinks and levelers together and sparing everyone a long queue time? One that you’ve failed to provide any criticisms against, I might add.

So I shouldn’t expect to find people there that have put effort into their characters, xp on or not?

They’re levelling. At that time, that’s their current method of progress. BGs are a method of levelling, and thus progression. But twinks are inhibiting that avenue severely.

[Hayhey-bleeding-hollow (Hayhey)]

They’re levelling. At that time, that’s their current method of progress. BGs are a method of levelling, and thus progression. But twinks are inhibiting that avenue severely.

No they aint. They are playin the game that they enjoy. The leveler will soon level out of said twinks bracket.

[Kai-wyrmrest-accord (Kai)]

No they aint. They are playin the game that they enjoy. The leveler will soon level out of said twinks bracket.

Blizzard have stated BGs are an alternative means of leveling.

[Eilane-kilrogg]

So, it’s not progression? But you’re doing it to…progress your character? Interesting logic.

I have some sad news now, I’ve lost my first battleground. Not to twinks, just to terrible players who want to fight on roads

htt ps://i.imgur.com/wr2sq3x.jpg

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

BGs are a method of levelling, and thus progression. But twinks are inhibiting that avenue severely.

How so? Are you not gaining experience or something? Are we taking up precious spots in the queue that could have been filled with someone that wants to level? Honestly help me understand you here. If you believe you can’t learn anything about your class or whatever because of “one shot” scenarios, I would argue that you should be focusing towards those over tuned abilities and not the xp on/off switch. Because the xp on/off switch is not what is killing you.

[Hayhey-bleeding-hollow (Hayhey)]

The dude said twinks were inhibiting the levelers. Twinks are just havin fun not stalling anyones leveling progress. Youre not entitled to win every BG

[Mauden-korgath (Mauden)]

Album updated with first BG of 30’s. It was surprisingly lacking in twinks, there was only one I noticed between the teams. Still a loss, but a much less demoralizing one.

https://imgur.com/a/THjcc2K

[Kai-wyrmrest-accord (Kai)]

So, it’s not progression? But you’re doing it to…progress your character? Interesting logic.

Progression is a matter of endgame content. Levelers are not in their endgame; twinks are. They’re in their own form of max level where they have all the time in the world to optimize accordingly. For a leveler, progression is raising their character level, not farming gear that will be obsolete once they leave that bracket – if they even happen to get it without outleveling the bracket altogether since the experience buffs.

How so? Are you not gaining experience or something? Are we taking up precious spots in the queue that could have been filled with someone that wants to level? Honestly help me understand you here. If you believe you can’t learn anything about your class or whatever because of “one shot” scenarios, I would argue that you should be focusing towards those over tuned abilities and not the xp on/off switch. Because the xp on/off switch is not what is killing you.

Except, again, I pointed out above that I was able to kill one of these overpowered classes (and yes, they are pretty darn strong) when it was a leveler. But that same exact class killed me one one global because they were twink geared. One global. Aimed Shot into Arcane Shot. I’ve also provided other pics above with twinks of other classes (Paladin, Shaman, etc.) also doing disproportionate levels of damage.

So, yes. It is. I’ve been here a decade and know better.

The dude said twinks were inhibiting the levelers. Twinks are just havin fun not stalling anyones leveling progress. Youre not entitled to win every BG

They absolutely are, actually. Have you looked at any of the pictures provided at all? Or Mauden’s?

[Hayhey-bleeding-hollow (Hayhey)]

They absolutely are, actually. Have you looked at any of the pictures provided at all? Or Mauden’s?

Yup and I dont see anyone preventing progression. You do get a little exp for losing right?? All I see is a few twinks playing the game as they want to. Level past them and hit 120 then enjoy the equal pvp hahaha … Cause 120 is equal too.