Blizz you gotta separate out XP-Off Twinking

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Well the " stuff " that i listed… Is aimed at the current model of BG’s. When i was commenting on the Battlegrounds having Meta Gear that never changes, i was refering to the sentence directly before it. " I didn’t start twinking until XP was turned off, and i dont feel the urge to play on it if im taking on Casuals ".

The EXP-Off experience is dead now, for that purpose. We don’t fight other Players who have also Turned EXP-Off only… We fight casuals. There is zero challenge.

So for the other comment you made, If you Enjoy PvP where you fight Players who havent spent days at the same level farming Gear, Then thats fantastic. How about you actually say it how it is, instead of avoiding the reason why casuals are getting discouraged playing PvP. Do you have a problem understanding how they will be experiencing the game?

I stated that i like leveling in BG’s. It had nothing to do with your enjoyment in playing BG’s to destroy casuals.

If you’re too illiterate to follow what i’m saying, it isn’t My problem, but you’re Welcome for the help.

Even though your first sentence proved the Passive Aggressive comment… If you think that was an insult, i don’t think you understand the forum community at all.

Lastly, you and every other peasant weren’t playing twinks after they made EXP-Off only BG’s. You just came back recently, cause you’re garbage at PvP. The People who were playing EXP-Off Only, aren’t the archetypes of People to be in here antagonizing casuals. They want EXP-Off back. Then you and every other tryhard will be off your twinks again.

I suppose you think that was an insult too, when really it was an observation. Its exactly whats happening here.

Remember Me when Blizzard put it back the way it’s meant to be.

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Looked for your rating, and for some reason can’t see it?

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  1. We enjoy lowbie pvp and random bgs in general…at all levels.

These are contested instances. There is a winner and loser. Every win you have had is at someone else’s expense. Thats what you are really upset about…losing.

You really shouldnt pvp…especially with that kind of attitude anyway.

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two thousand

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This choose your own adventure style of self-writing narrative is just wasting everyone’s time. If you disagree, tell me why, or contribute something - anything - to the discussion.

For example: why do you think there are brackets? Why is there a rating system at engame? Why do 10 yr old kids not play soccer against 14 yr olds? Why are there weight classes in boxing? Are you starting to get the picture here?

Because there is a world of difference between skill and understanding vs an unfair and unwinnable matchup.

Here’s an example from today:

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3 MM Hunters, geared up melting everything instantly. Average health in the 70s? 7k. Aimed shot crit for 3-4k, Incendiary Ammo proc for 2k, white-damage for 1k and you’re dead in one GCD. Is there competition here? Is there challenge? Can you use amazing skill to trump this? Or is it maybe more a combination of terrible scaling, misuse of a 120 item on heirlooms and cheesing mechanics and itemization to GY-camp and relentlessly pummel strangers?

No one wants a free win any more than they want an automatic loss. But there has to be a threshold from the very best/strongest/heaviest/fastest and the worst otherwise it is a horrible experience that no one enjoys.

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Max level gearing difference is nothing like leveling gearing difference. There’s no way for a leveling player to catch up to a twink, because they’ll move on to the next bracket before that happens.

Although the solution to both problems is to not make PvP gear dependent. If it’s supposed to be about skill, give everyone the same stats regardless of gear.

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That happened today in the 70s bracket and you’re already level 83? Sounds like you moved past it quick

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I know right. They do it for timewalking dungeons, it’s not like they dont have to means to apply it to battlegrounds…

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You sure notice how powerful some pre nerf items actually are, and yet you have had that Ramstein’s trinket equipped before 7.35? :thinking:
Crying about one broken item while using the original version of another infamous broken item. :ok_hand:

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He’ll be pleased to know at least one of those hunters has also leveled into the 80s “today”. :wink:

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Saw that. Must be haunting him

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I level alts just fine in BGs with enchanted heirlooms and gear that is the appropriate level for the bracket.
The team that has more OP classes, and less undergeared players ( people with no enchants, missing gear, underleveled gear) usually wins. It isn’t that expensive to prepare your alts to pvp while leveling, I usually have to mail them less then 5k along with an enchanted heirloom shoulder,leg, and bow if its a hunter.

Queue times will be too long, everyone loses if queues are separated, and it won’t solve the problem, there will still be levelers with decent gear and they will stomp the undergeared levelers just as bad. You only need a fraction of the effort and money it takes to succeed in pvp at 120 compared to low level pvp, and if people can’t be bothered to do that its best they get weeded out while leveling or learn.

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Xp separation killed my cat and impregnated my sister :sob:

On a serious note, ilvl should be predetermined and applied automatically upon entering a random bg. It was basically done in Legion and is practiced in timewalking dungeons. Blizzard has the coding in hand already, simply input it into random battlegrounds from 10 - 120 and $$$ :money_mouth_face: (WIN)

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120 random battleground pvp blows.

So many people claim gear doesn’t matter yet the majority are mindlessly grinding those mythic+ dungeons, raids, emissaries, war fronts and incursions to get the very best gear they can (while claiming to primarily play the game for casual pvp).

If gear didn’t matter then why is it a thing? If you dont pve for the “challenge” or for “fun” what’s the point? Thats right-------for the gear that doesn’t matter… yup

:expressionless:

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But, you’re one of the casuals…

I wouldn’t go so far as to say, " All casuals suck at this game" as you just did. I met plenty of casuals that could more than hold their own

“It isn’t my problem”. It’s not my job to ensure that you and all the others that play this game have fun while doing so my little snowflake. If you can’t cut it, perhaps PvP isn’t your cup of tea. It’s also interesting that you and all others think PvP is supposed to take a back seat to your leveling. How dare us to interfere with that precious leveling!

And certainly last but not least:

I’ve been twinking since before this game came out. I have been here twinking since release, and I certainly was here before, during, and after expoff became a thing. Don’t let the Highmountain Tauren fool you. It’s also interesting to note that since you think we’re garbage, what is that really saying about you? Gear is closer in power from x1 to x9 than it ever has been so please come back with something better than “crutching on gear”.

Yeah twinker Bob and his 7 friends really loved those days. That’s why they only got to play one or two games on one given night of the week if then.

It currently is the way it’s meant to be. As far as remembering you…

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You sure notice how powerful some pre nerf items actually are, and yet you have had that Ramstein’s trinket equipped before 7.35? :thinking:
Crying about one broken item while using the original version of another infamous broken item. :ok_hand:

??? I got it like 4 days ago while leveling. This char is only 2 weeks old. It’s like 75% of my AOE as enhance - you know that the 5.6k proc on my profile is a bug on scaling it to 120 in the profile-viewer? That’s not what it does in-game (it only hits for 1200).

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That’s Blizzards design for battlegrounds. It’s not an indication of anything though as imbalancs exist within the archaic bracket system too. For example, do you think it’s fair that level 70s are pitted against players 78 and 79 that have access to another row of talents and Mastery?

Also, in wpvp for example there are lower levels that take on much higher levels and win. At one point level 110 was more powerful than 120 because of how the scaling worked.

I’m sure you’re aware that ratings were available to lower levels at one point in WoWs history too. Many twinks have been asking to have ratings reinstated. Twink RBGs are some of the best PvP in the game.

That all of them have nothing to do with WoW? I’m yoking :clown_face:, I understand what you’re trying to say about skill and such and keeping things fair. However, I would argue that the xp on/off switch is not where you should be directing your outrage but at the actual imbalances in the game.

Have you seen the changes coming with the new patch?

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Just because people like to “seem” more powerful doesn’t mean they actually are. No pve needs to be done to pvp at 120

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I am so sorry :sob:

You poor thing. :cry:

I really don’t know what to say to this. I just feel bad, for you. :broken_heart:

I hope you continue to have fun :slightly_smiling_face:

Just WOW :astonished:

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That’s… how leveling works. If you keep watching you will see me hit the 90s, eventually the 100s and if you really stay in it for the long haul, you will see me not only hit the 110s but cap at 120.

I’m struggling to find your point though; did you think this was a “70s bracket is the poop” thread? I literally said:

And to be clear, I’m not just talking about the 110 bracket (absolute cancer, just don’t ever play this) or the 111-119 bracket (can be terrible, but with 3x azurite you can contribute), but everything from 19 up.

If you don’t understand the discussion that’s fine, just say so. Trolling and making snide comments just shows you have nothing valuable to add.

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