Blizz: Will phase 2 25m raids start with bosses dropping 1 gear token or 2?

During original TBC the devs increased token drops for good reason; the RNG associated with drops created a painful situation for unlucky classes in some guilds. And if it starts at 1 token it will make things even worse in classic due to the nature of class distribution…

Tier 5 tokens are shared by three classes, and an example of one such set is Warlock/Hunter/Mage. That accounts for ~10 out of 25 raid members for most raids. At a 1 in 3 chance of a token being your class’ token, that would make it take an average of a whopping 30 weeks (about 7 months) to get every lock/hunt/mage a certain slot of T5. If it releases as 2 tokens then that decreases to 15 weeks (about 3.5 months) which is far more reasonable.

This is an important point of contention as phase 2 grows near.

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Likely 1. And I’m not thrilled about that. We’re already looking at what appears to be a truncated and abnormal release schedule for TBC, having the original drop rates isn’t “slowing people down” it’s just causing drama and problems.

games already too easy stop begging for more loot
losing rolls and doing multiple raids without getting gear is all part of classic wow

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retail Andy has left the chat

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There’s nothing wrong with that, but at the rate the tokens are dropping, it will likely be a long time before the non-priority classes get any pieces.

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Actually, this type of “Give me more of this now! Nerf this! Change this!” mentality is what created TBC and ultimately created “Retail”.

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my rogue is already getting pieces, and I’m sure you’d call that a “non-priority class”.
sounds like your guild is just distributing loot in a sweaty-friendly way, which is its prerogative. but it doesn’t have to be that way

Likely 1, longer it takes to get geared, longer we are subbed. Blizz is all about that cash now. See honor gains taking 300 hours for entry level gear.

I lost my chest on Mag on Monday. I cannot even express how painful it is.

Options are.

World Boss (Good Luck)
Crafted (Not a LW)
Tier (1 Per Week…)
Nightbane…and it’s not even amazing.
One of several Blues?

The content is already trivial for any half sweaty guild, please Blizzard. 2 Tokens.

So basically, “My stuff dropped and I won it, why does anyone else have to complain about?”

Not really a matter of how loot is distributed if the loot isn’t dropping in the first place.

Can people please understand topics before commenting on them?

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bottom line is you’re crying about not getting the purplies fast enough. boohoo. i have no sympathy because this is the number 1 complaint that got us to retail thanks to welfare epics. there’s already too many welfare epics in TBC. the whole heroic badge system is so babyish imo.

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Citation needed.

Unf, you are so tough and grown-up.

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so you want double the reward for something you describe as “trivial”. :expressionless:

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PVE was, is, and will always be the easiest path to gear. 1 drop a week is toxic.

Ignore the troll, if you go back and watch old tbc first kill videos on youtube you can clearly see 2 tier tokens dropping from ssc bosses and beyond.

They also eventually changed tier 4 to drop 2 tokens per boss for gruuls lair and mag

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I’ve seen you in multiple posts not being able to differentiate someone talking about difficulty, and people discussing time gating

Also this

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if you want to know what “time gating” is, go play retail. actual hard time gates abound there.

not getting purplies fast enough in raids is not a time gate.

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Pretty sure 1 token between 25 people is a form of time gating. I see you are still afraid to post your opinions on your main though.

this is exactly like the dual spec debate, where people started calling it “quality of life change” when in fact that term was never supposed to be used for that kind of wide, gameplay changing feature.

time gating is when blizzard specifically and purposefully restricts what you can do until they say so. example: pathfinder nonsense. THAT is a time gate. another example: black temple. nobody can go there until blizzard says so. THAT is a time gate.

bosses only dropping 1 token =/= time gate. sorry, you don’t get to change definitions to suit your argument.

No one is talking about getting purples too slow. It’s just a fact that when you get 1 token a week per boss for an entire 25 man raid, assume everyone needs that tier token. That’s 25 weeks of perfect drops where there is never a time when the token drops and no one needs it. That’s almost 6 months to get your entire raid that tier piece. It was also clearly not intended because they change it in every subsequent tier.

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