Blizz just remove dungeons entirely

WoW Classic Mists of Pandaria Classic Discussion
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It’s obvious you dont want people running dungeons.
You’ve done everything you can to make them less efficient than questing. You’ve done everything you can to make them too tedious to get to (this is more in regard to lower level dungeons that noone did in vanilla with no summon stones working). With Wrath heirlooms, less xp per level required, and the xp boost event coming, you’ve doubled down on making solo questing a way more effective way to level. This useless replacement of a group tool to “fix” something that wasnt broken, is the crowning achievement.

So just remove dungeons entirely, there is no point to them other than making people angry that they exist but are too much of a pita to enjoy.
It’s pretty clear you are deliberately trying to kill interest in classic, in an attempt to drive people back to retail.

The reason every game thats come out over the last 15yrs was “hopefully” referred to as a potential “wow killer” is because for all these years you have abused your addicted player base with changes you knew were controversial and would cause discontent, and the player base hates you for it. They want to see wow killed. They dream of it. Because you refuse to allow them enjoyment. This is also the reason people always use terms like “fun police” or “fun detected” when talking about wow issues.

Everyone seems to think that we are where we are now in retail, because the players “whined” for stuff and you gave it to them, when in reality- they asked for reasonable changes, and you gave them something completely different that NOONE asked for, time and time again. So in reaction the players had to come up with yet another solution to work around your intentionally added roadblocks and pain points.

Everyone complains about bots/boosting/gdkps/chat spam/etc etc but they dont seem to realize blizzard caused this. Does noone notice that the majority of the “#somechanges” that are taking place benefit blizz more than the players?

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I’m sorry but after reading this what is this rant about? You want them to remove stuff because of how people have exploited the game? Like you realize there are multiple parties involved right?

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my point is they are killing a large percentage of the content of the game by making it less efficient to access it. The gmae might as well just be solo questing to max cap and then raiding with a guild. They killed 80% of the game with their choices.

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Just some fresh level 68 hunter with 0 previous posts.

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yeah, this is my 2nd account hunter i created to have someone to quest qith on demand, pretty easy to organize a group with myself huh, I can even run some of those lower level dungeons noone could be bothered to do from vanilla to tbc!

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Don’t dungeons have quests you can turn in for added xp during the event? I really can’t see the point in your outrage tbh.

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my point is, they are keeping a working dungeon finder tool out of the game, that would have created 1000x as many groups running dungeons throughout the life of this classic revisit. With that, the loss of the potential for 1000x as many social interactions, for the sake of trying to preserve those very interactions. Now they just wont take place at all.
All they’ve done is force people to find another way. That way is RMT and paying for boosts. As someone who will never do that, I get to suffer with a full server that feels like a ghost town when trying to find groups. Yet feels like its black friday when trying to gather resources or kill quest mobs.
It feels like they are doing everything they can to force “you think you do but you dont” to actually be true. Sabotage. They want us in retail.

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You are playing on a sweat lord server and now you’re surprised that you can’t get a low level group going? The lack of community is the price you pay when you all dogpile onto a single server with the worst of the min maxers.

Heres the other thing, LFD would not magically create an instantaneous group for your dps alts. You would easily be waiting at least 45 minutes to an hour and a half for a group to form up and pray that the tank likes the group and doesn’t decide to ditch.

Lastly they aren’t keeping a working LFD out of the game, they don’t have to code for it as classic is rebuilt from the retail client. They obviously aren’t keen on the idea of spending money to develop a tool that would only be in the game for less than half a year because LFD launched with ICC not at the start of WotLK.

You can be upset that they willingly gave the wrong excuse for why its in the game though because that was a big mistake on their part.

Also the “you think you do but you don’t” was an entirely intentional marketing trick that they pulled on the players to increase the hype for classic and it worked.

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oh this was a hidden 100th RDF post. cool

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correction, i fresh rerolled on a sweatlord server to join a gaming community i had been a part of years ago, because my Westfall server is now down to 3k players and the server forums are mostly posts from 2021 and/or crickets to new posts.

Thousands of hours on westfall are now just lost. And now I have to spend thousands of hours again to get that full roster on Mankrik, because they wont sell faction changes along with transfers.

Explain to me how me playing the game 10hrs a day every day, trying to group up with my guild and randoms whenever i could with flex roles because i had multiple alts, was my fault in causing a lack of community?

When I was leveling in vanilla, I had 3 accounts going, so I could get myself to a dungeon like RFK/RFD as an alliance, and my main was a warlock, and with 2 other accounts i could click my own summons to bribe people into coming out there with offers of free summons and hunter aspect of the pack speed runs to flight points. Still couldnt get anyone- even with the promise of instantly summoning them to the dungeons. Blizzards choice to disable the summoning stones made people just not bother with dungeons. It didnt matter how long i tried to recruit a group in chat, it was fresh vanilla and everyone was racing to max by solo grinding.

As far as the dps que times, there is a huge difference in “set it and forget it” LFG que, where you can go about crafting, or questing, AH surfing… w/e you want while you wait in que, VS trying to those things while constantly opening the LFG bulletin board addons to try to snipe that “need 1 dps” that just posted 2 secs ago.
I don’t afk in town while i wait, i multitask, get stuff done, grind xp, etc…

I have a limited knowledge of coding beyond old school “basic” programming and some HTML stuff, but i find it hard to believe that this megalith of a company, cant take a patch and reverse engineer specific parts of it and add it at a different time?
IDK they seem to have been able to make a new tool and add it in, new mounts and add those in, different xp gains and mob tagging mechanics than original, a different barber shop thats going to include gender changes… seems like they a re pretty good at making changes when they want to.

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Cool story. I started classic on westfall too and ended up transferring to Ashkandi at the start of TBC. Initially I thought about joining Mankrik but made the choice on Ashkandi after scouting out the server. I’m sorry your previous guild made that choice for you, but if they claim to be a “gaming community” and you can’t get groups going for your alts then I guess they really aren’t a good one.

This is another mega server issue. I’m sorry but I have zero sympathy for you because skimming a chat while you are “multitasking” is too hard for you. How can you even call it multitasking tbh?

It all boils down to development costs my dude. You already work under the impression that Blizz is a greedy company that only cares about their bottom dollar but you are willingly ignoring the simple fact as to why they would avoid doing all that extra work just for the sake of arguing on a forum. Cool beans be a contrarian all you like.

The final thing I have to address is the scope of changes, tweaking something from the retail client and adding it in isn’t the same thing as rebuilding a tool out of scratch from 15 years ago from code you no longer have. Adding a gender change to barber shop is no way as complex.

Have fun in your outrage though, I’m sure it will work out for you. :upside_down_face:

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they are a gaming community, that plays a multitude of games. Their [H] wow tbcc branch had a handful of people playing, and i just happened upon a guild recruitment thread. They didnt make any choices for me, but in my attempt to find a new place to start over this was at the very least a place with some familiarity.

They are good peeps, and that was one of my requirements for a guild worth joining. But they arent on all the time, they arent always doing the same thing I’m doing. You want to do that? You want to be at my beckon call at all times and drop what youre doing to do what i need? It’s not as cut n dry as you try to make it sound.

How is this a mega server issue? It scales with pop. You think smaller servers are somehow going to have more tanks/healers and they will be super thankful to find a dps? what? As far as multitasking, tell ya what, you fire up 2 accounts and chain pull mob grind with a hunter and a warlock, keep alt tabbing to manage/heal pets, and dps and also keep checking chat/LFG BB and sending a whisper to someone at the same time and tell me how easy that is too.

And finally, greedy companies like money. This “arguing on the forum” is a warning of pending financial losses. I have no interest in retail, even though I’ve played all along only taking a break during 2nd half of CATA and then stopping by 2nd half of BFA.
I’m on the verge of cancelling entirely after I try to enjoy wrath and run into the same frustrations I had with the previous 2 expacs. I know its just me, as one person, paying a minimum of 30 bucks a month on accounts, and char boosts for each account. I have always wanted to play the game how its supposed to be played, but they have made the majority of people find easier ways to get the endgame which has damaged the game more than you seem to know or care. BUT I AM NOT ALONE. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE. that money adds up.

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Ok you have devolved into incoherent ranting. You go get em my boi. :+1:

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so…you’re upset that you can’t just dungeon spam to level?

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View from a casual not even getting close to dungeons anymore. The real issues with dungeons come from the people doing, dungeons. Those people are not “playing” the game. They’re doing a job. You get into a random dungeon and the tank is already 10 miles ahead of you. Healer follows the tank as best as he can. Tank is usually overgeared so neither the tank nor the healer even care about the DPS that try to run behind. IMO this is the main reason why dungeons are bad. Players not Blizzard. Strictly no enjoyment, no fun, just a race to the finish. So why even have dungeons. You think casuals even want to try normal, heroic … mythic ? :rofl: . They get crucified, or kicked without a word. TOXIC is killing dungeons. Not Blizzard, again.

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Tldr, answer, no.

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Make every dungeon Wailing Caverns and require people to say “tank?”, “yes” to set expectations before each run. Just like how Birmingham wants it.

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why do people say 3k is dead today but back then it was considerd bussin and healthy to have 3k i mean damn wasnt 3k considered a full server?

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THAT IS LITERALLY WHY EVERY PRO RDF IS ON THESE FORUMS COMPLAINING…BC THEY CANT SPAM DUNGEONS TO LVL THERE 4TH 5TH AND 6TH ALT… its getting very annoying.

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I don’t get how leveling another alt that won’t see a raid is somehow considered “enjoying wrath”, you alt grinders never make it to endgame but you want it handed to you on a silver platter.