Blacklisting BGs and Dungeons So EVERYONES Time Is Not Wasted

[Heydownthere-arugal]

@Heydownthere-arugal

and you need it for your alts

No one levels alts after p1 right?

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Heydownthere-arugal

@Heydownthere-arugal

and you need it for your alts

I guess we’ll see how they handle H+ in Cata. If it’s the same as wrath most people will just do whatever is the fastest dungeon for the quest and the people who actually need gear will random whatever.

Which is honestly a much less toxic system for everyone involved and if the VP worked that way now everyone could be happy.

[Terrìbull-area-52]

yeah I wonder why these geniuses never came to that conclusion. That option is already in the game, Oh wait…Iknow. They want the reward from the “random” completion.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

The reason why black listing existed was so people could play what they wanted.

BlizZard broke individual queues for BGs on purpose and they never pop because they wanted to promote random queues.

So people will keep leaving like retail if SoTA pops like Seething Shore.

[Synthx-moon-guard]

Even though this is a good idea, it will cause people to massively queue for the dungeon they want, then use the usual guildie-bully scheme to kick whoever might compete with their loot.

[Hoofsman-faerlina]

@Vharcai-grobbulus

I think the most upsetting thing about this is after googling, this is a conversation that was being had verbatim 11 years ago.

This is probably intentional. Don’t forget, part of the classic experience is the content on the forums. So old conversations need to be brought up for max immersion.

[Ivixia-atiesh]

Yep.

Win one BG daily reward got painful like this. Once won…you either picked off what you liked. That retail conquest daily never really paid well enough to be in Seething.

Or said yay…its done. Lets go do something more fun like fold clothes or dishes. I felt the same for chili cookoff brawl too. Run that till a win. You’d pray for win sooner.

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Ivixia-atiesh

That retail conquest daily never really paid well enough to be in Seething.

I actually love Seething shore. At least it’s PvP and huge base fights compared to Non PvP maps like Strands, IoC and AV.

[Newkie-kaelthas]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

Love some 30 min AV’s where you get some amazing PvP in. Huge battles at choke points and over towers. That’s what PvP is about.

Sounds like aids.

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Newkie-kaelthas

Sounds like aids.

So you don’t like PvP that’s fine. However PvP players actually want to farm HK’s. Have engaging PvP combat that doesn’t rely on PvE. That we could do ALL DAY LONG. That’s the fun. Doesn’t matter if AV is an hour long or endless. You are there for the combat and HK’s. However a good 30 min AV as an average should be the goal so that way it’s fun and a good game.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

@Newkie-kaelthas

Sounds like aids.

So you don’t like PvP that’s fine. However PvP players actually want to farm HK’s. Have engaging PvP combat that doesn’t rely on PvE. That we could do ALL DAY LONG. That’s the fun. Doesn’t matter if AV is an hour long or endless. You are there for the combat and HK’s. However a good 30 min AV as an average should be the goal so that way it’s fun and a goo d game.

AV is a symptom of putting too much PVE in a BG.

It’s mind boggling that to this day Blizzard refuses to make a death match BG.

[Tsataga-zuljin]

@Ziryus-pagle

It’s mind boggling that to this day Blizzard refuses to make a death match BG.

I feel like gear advantages and class balancing issues make a death match BG a poor choice for wow.

Objective maps allow toons with less gear (or whatever) to still contribute to the team, where in a death match they’re just and easy Hk for the opposition

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Tsataga-zuljin

@Ziryus-pagle

It’s mind boggling that to this day Blizzard refuses to make a death match BG.

I feel like gear advantages and class balancing issues make a death match BG a poor choice for wow.

Objective maps allo w toons with less gear (or whatever) to still contribute to the team, where in a death match they’re just and easy Hk for the opposition

There’s always been a huge demand for it and I’m not saying every BG should be a death match just like how not every BG should be capture the flag or king of the hill.

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Tsataga-zuljin

I feel like gear advantages

Nope.

@Abombshield-grobbulus

Gear based game. The reason why people play WoW is to get Powerful gear and own up PvP. If gear doesn’t matter no reason to play the game and it’s not an RPG anymore.

Balancing the fun right out of the game gets us nowhere and leaves us with a game that is boring and not worth playing. Take Legion Templates for example. Everyone hated Templates because it removed the RPG aspects of the game. The Devs said they were a mistake and they were removed.

The most important thing in this game is the RPG aspects, power from gear and Class fantasy. This leads to the most fun and why people are PvPing.

Most PvPers rather they remove Arena then try to balance for it by removing RPG aspects/gear. The only big mistake they made with PvP in WoW was trying Esports.

The point of the game is to have a gear advantage over your opponent. It’s literally why we log in and prefer gear based PvP. Attaining great power then owning it up is what makes gear based PvP the best and most TRUE form of PvP.

@Tsataga-zuljin

Objective maps

While objective maps are fun people fight on the roads or where the big battles are because they are trying to get ontop of the scoreboard with KBs and HK’s. You are trying to farm kills that’s how you win. It’s the main point of the BG.

When the BG ends what matters for most PvP players is their personal performance on the score board, Damage done, KBs, HKs etc. That’s how winning in done. Also another reason why we want Solo Que because we want organic PvP for our personal performances.

[Newkie-kaelthas]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

So you don’t like PvP that’s fine. However PvP players actually want to farm HK’s. Have engaging PvP combat that doesn’t rely on PvE. That we could do ALL DAY LONG. That’s the fun. Doesn’t matter if AV is an hour long or endless. You are there for the combat and HK’s. However a good 30 min AV as an average should be the goal so that way it’s fun and a good game.

I like PvP just not your definition of what good pvp is. 40 v 40 in a AV turtle is not alot of fun as a class dependent on openers from stealth. And even if I wasn’t a rogue a 2-4 vs 2-4 match up at a node or a gy even in strands is much better pvp in my opinion.

[Ivixia-atiesh]

I saw the up to 2 hour av’s in 15th kav. They can be fun times.

Ngl, I miss seeing the big boys like ivus. They need time to build up, teamwork, and once there, coordination… Ivus is a big dude. But he can die if left unescorted.

Now what 15 kav did to entice this was rewards. For many it was the xp. Towers reset, we retake them. Moar xp.

It also normalized gear and stats. The only real edge a 110 had on a 60 was more casts on bar. Sometimes flat gear/stats can be a good thing. It makes skill meets skill more. Since that dude is about the same as you stat wise. One of these 2 dudes works the cast bar better. Let’s find out who that is.

I cannot lie. I am hoping since the 20th anniversary should be special. And we get that format again. I’ve won after an 1.5 hour av. It’s a rush really.

[Saineh-mankrik]

it would be halls of origination next. but only because you cant tell if dps know what an interupt is…and also whether tank (which is the FUHRER in wow) decides whether we do the entire dungeon. And you know if you dont go with the tank or even just type at all…you might get kicked…cuz…“social contract” is working well.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Saineh-mankrik

it would be halls of origination next. but only because you cant tell if dps know what an interupt is…and also whether tank (which is the FUHRER in wow) decides whether we do the entire dungeon. And you know if you dont go with the tank or even just type at all…you might get kicked…cuz…“social contract” is wor king well.

Nah GB is the next worst after DM, if DPS knew how to bomb properly on the dragon maybe not… but… HOO is fine because like you said as the tank we don’t do optional bosses so it’s a 15 minute instance.

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

We are still waiting on Blacklisting. Please just this amazing feature back into the game so everyone can benefit. Please and Thanks.