They teach supply and demand in middle school.
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Time will tell but I have sincere doubts that this will yield any positive outcome. If the issue is that bots/farmers are outcompeting regular players, that’s unlikely to change simply by increasing the number of spawns. Anybody who has watched these bots and farmers operate knows that they cast a pretty wide net and so those new spawns are likely to get slurped up just as quickly as the current ones do.
I’d love to be wrong here but I’ve seen this in action.
It seems to me that a far superior change would be to employ the retail solution, which makes resource nodes instanced on a per-player basis, meaning they don’t despawn when harvested by another player. This allows the bots/farmers to continue farming to their heart’s content, but normal players can also go out and get what they need if they wish to.
As I said, time will tell if this is successful, but I do feel compelled to point out that Era (and thus, Anniversary and SoD) are already on an increased spawn rate compared to original Classic 2019 and yet it’s still an issue.
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Not going to bother addressing the question but continue to insult. Same old Bloom.
What question? I admittedly didn’t find it worth my time to read your entire post, since supply and demand is covered in middle school.
Always a pleasure to see a fan.
The question starts out with a flawed premise to begin with, the answer to the question is that the supposed king pin doesn’t actually exist, that’s why the trade chat is currently full of people dumping lotus
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And that’s the part I’m just having trouble understanding. People talk about the situation as though there is a concerted effort by bots to completely control the market and if that is indeed the case, why flood the market? Just seems like it’d be more lucrative to maintain the status quo. Just because you have a supply of something doesn’t mean you necessarily have to relinquish said supply when it suddenly increases. If they flood the market with that supply, that would invariably cause the price to go down thus decreasing their profits.
As I admitted earlier, I am not an economics major and middle school was a long time ago.
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There’s no concerted effort, those people are just wrong, its a supply and demand issue.
Lets look at blue sapphires, they are ridiculously expensive right? is it because of the blue sapphire mafia? no, its due to people wanting lionheart helms
Voracity? same thing
The only thing this gets applied to is black lotus for some reason
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Please listen to him, BLIZZARD!
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Aside from being a troll, both literally and figuratively it seems, how’ve you been? Haven’t seen nearly as many topics where you’ve posted or at least there seems to be far fewer than I recall there being during vanilla/TBC classic. Didn’t know if you had gone the way of Glinda or what.
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Because said red herring never existed in the first place
Half of the players complaining have never put any real effort into farming lotus
People who put in the effort to farm lotus are not just spamming the auction house with lotus before this change. They hold them.
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quoting so “bot mafia” chanters can read this clearly.
I appreciate the answer. Given the prevalence of botting, it does make it easy to believe there is a concerted effort by bots which in turn make the existence of the whole “Black Lotus mafia” just as easy to believe.
I know we likely don’t have any means of determining just how many bots there are but if someone were to suggest that every bot was controlled by a lone individual that was acting completely independently from the next, I’d laugh myself out of my chair. There’s bound to be some level of organization amongst large swaths of them which again, just makes the whole thing easy to believe.
People are just looking for excuses.
You can’t really “mafia” these resources on a server with 6-8 layers. It requires far too much manpower and requires 24/7 around the clock participation even with only 2 layers
(source, I mafia’d devilsaur in 2019)
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I can see how layers might make that more difficult, assuming of course I know precisely how layers work. Just seems like a headache to ensure you have bots farming at every spot on every layer. Possible I’m sure but seems like it’d be a headache.
the lotus have crashed on nightslayer alliance from 161g high to 86g low for the day, so they’ve lost nearly 50% of their value since the increased supply was announced, i think this is really the biggest evidence that the prices are based on supply and demand that we could ever hope for, as soon as a supply increase happens, a mass panic and dump happens.
A mass panic and dump would never happen if someone held most of the lotus, if they were able to artificially increase lotus to such a price, then keeping it there wouldn’t be difficult, this would change basically nothing, this entire thing wouldn’t be happening, but it is.
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HUGE W Blizz!
And this was the explanation I apparently needed to understand. Thank you.
As someone who has farmed an insane amount of Black Lotus:
This fix is not it, what needed to happen is to make Black Lotus obtainable from high level herb such as Plaguebloom and Icecap and Silversage ect.
All this change does is allow bots to obtain Black Lotus quicker and especially bots that sit on top of spawn locations.
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That does seem like the better fix. Sure, bots could post up at spawn points for those particular herbs and others but I believe there are more spawn points for any one of those herbs (certainly collectively) than there are for Black Lotus which would in turn make it easier for your casual farmer to get ahold of them.
half measures.