The vast, hyper-majority of people rolling Horde “for the racials” aren’t going to be competing at a level where they matter. Half of them won’t even be competing at all. A hardstuck 1800 Turbocleave isn’t losing because they’re Alliance. They’re losing because that’s their wall.
It’s just such a stupid thing. The meta at the top 0.1% is dictating the behavior of the lower 99th percentile of players - to a deleterious effect. And this narrative that the Alliance racials are dumpster isn’t helping. They’re pretty good. In some situations, outright game-winning.
This is a perceptual problem. This is a meta problem. The racials, in and of themselves, will have little impact of people’s competitiveness.
Why?? How are you drawing that conclusion?? You think the average player actually is on par with R1 multi-glads?? People make decisions based on fake-competitive spirit. People unqualified to make calls make them anyways because they think they’re min-maxing.
As a total package I can see that Horde may offer a more well-rounded suite throughout TBC for building out a whole team, but it’s not night and day. In fact in season one Alliance wins big at the high end overall, Orc and POSSIBLY Blood Elf are the only two during extreme levels of S1 and early S2 burst which lend themselves in any extreme degree to the meta.
Tauren is a double-edged sword, it does highly benefit warriors, but it’s not on par with Escape Artist as the leeway is disabled when you stop moving (roots) because it’s designed for chasing with latency.
You vastly underestimate how much WotF does for low skill players.
It is.
This applies to almost everything. Including the world buff meta and ENTRY LEVEL RAID REQUIREMENTS. It’s completely insane. I wish there was something that could be done about it, but maybe when OTHER people play pvp on alliance like I do maybe…you will have a point.
Until then continue playing your horde shaman. While I get lectured by a horde druid and horde warrior why alliance have better racials and the queues should just magically be better than this.
That’s not really the point. The OP’s complaint is that the queues are so long, as virtually everyone who cared about PvP went Horde - both for the racial advantage (which was absolutely real in vanilla), and the fact the community as a whole would sit there. It’s not great for BGs, but it doesn’t matter for arena. The lack of Alliance PvPers won’t matter when they can fight other Horde.
I main NE Restokin and NE Subt Rogue. This is my forum posting character. I’m often inflammatory on the forums so I post on a character I do not play. I’m the guild leader of my guild and don’t want my often combative posts here to reflect poorly on my community. My 3vs3 team is a Glad Spriest (NE), Glad rogue (Human) and me on Rdruid (NE) for TBC
I would love to play Gnome warrior, but they look stupid in plate gear lol. It’s literally an aesthetic choice. I’m honestly bored of Horde after years, it’s just where I started as an ignorant beginner when I had ZERO knowledge of anything meta. It’s literally habitual.
This is precisely why Blizzard can do something about it, without making much in the way of a balance change. They just have to create an incentive to get the already overpopulated Alliance interested in PvP, these stupid false notions are not good for the game.
No. The problem is that a VERY LARGE portion of the population are making decisions based this way and it drastically affects everyone.
Even though its not going to give them 400 higher arena points, its going to improve their chances as much as adding a bit more damage or resilience on gear upgrades would. And its this type of reasoning that leads to the decisions they make.
Its no longer about what you want to play, many people feel like they need to select what is “optimal” and that’s why all the people arguing against me are all horde. Not because they all magically chose something that was uncommon. And now you alongside countless other people who chose horde for the same reasons have an issue with the queues.
It’s ok, every hordie on this thread has alliance mains, I understand ya. I completely believe you played these in original TBC, but classic TBC is different.
I dont’ blame you on orc shaman, I believe that’s the strongest class/spec combination in all of vanilla wow by a mile. Nothing even comes close. It’s not amazing in TBC though, 5 second cooldown shocks no longer do 40-60% of someone’s hp when they crit.
Oh but I should take you at your word that you play Alliance for non meta reasons (I do by the way, but apparently not a two-way street)?? This is silly, this is the bias I’m talking about. You think you know things that you don’t and it’s clouding the truth.
I mained this exact Orc Rshaman in TBC and my exact NE Subt rogue in TBC. I did not play a Rdruid back then and I regretted it most of the expansion. I fixed my mistake this time around and trashed the shaman. I have posted extensively about how bad TBC Rshaman is going to be. I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone.
Here’s an example from weeks ago:
I main a Night Elf Rdruid and Night Elf Rogue now, in Classic. And they are my TBC characters. I am on your faction, whether you choose to believe this or not. For obvious reasons I keep the identity of my mains a secret on these forums. I am frequently unpopular here.
If he were a rogue it would be considered BiS by many of the best players in the world for these early seasons where survivability is low (and therefore opener is everything). It’s not so much the race as it is the class-race combo.
I played a human mage as my first character in Vanilla WoW long ago. I stuck with it until Cata came out and I played RIFT. But yes, I’m a human mage to play into this super sick meta where I get to pop perception and win games in the opener
In the mirror. Its BiS in the mirror. In a world where you will have more games that have a Warrior, Priest or Warlock it is BiS to be an Undead Rogue. Like 70% of the horde population until TBC allowed Blood Elves. Even then its still more than half of horde players. Just let that wash over you for a second.
Literally besides the point. You stated that you play it for preference and then doubted why I chose Tauren as if to say I think it’s BiS and therefore preference couldn’t have possibly played into my choice. I’ve never leveled a Tauren before I thought Mulgore was cool on my test runs on the demo. I originally played Orc warrior as my first character. Gnome however deals with the classes weaknesses the best in TBC, and in niche scenarios NE can even be gigantic. He may not be some god-level player but some of the tricks Swifty originally came up with are actually applicable in a game-state where openers matter.
While the overall population is in favor of alliance, the vast majority of them are from pve servers. If you check the population on pvp servers you will see that horde are heavily favored. Basically yes, more people who are interested in pvp play horde.
