both teams have the same opportunities to win. why is the chaos of uncoordinated pugs required for fun? why do i have to explain to people in IoC that workshop is as important as hangar?
the “all go hangar durrrrr” crowd deserve what they get for putting in the least amount of effort.
i hope the deserter buff becomes account wide and more severe.
One of you premades should let me in the discord.
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You must want Q times to be even longer because people quit pvp.
If they do that pvp will die.
Whats needed is a surrender button. You surrender and BAM the premade groups die out. The GY camping stops.
There is no fun in a quick game where the premade GY campers dont get to do what they want to do.
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That would be entertaining… Honestly it always gets bad at the end of the expansion when everyone has multiple alts. Just drop game and que on something else. It’s kinda silly. People really can’t hand an L. Every other game ever has a stacking account wide penalty. Not sure why wow doesn’t yet.
Nobody enjoys an L. I don’t think it matters how “fun” you can make the game (whatever that looks like).
Again every other game does the same thing because people hate losing. It’s understandable.
Pretty much this honestly. Most games have this too. Put it 5 minutes into the game with an internal cool down of 1 minute before someone different puts up the vote. This plus account wide stacking deserter and the game gets a lot better.
It’s always the same people in these crying and hating on “pugs” yet can’t win against the “bad pugs” unless they have an entire team helping them LOL
Oversimplification. At least in Arena, if a team completely outclasses you, it’s short and sweet. In an Epic BG, there’s losing and losing, well, badly. I’m sure I don’t have to explain the difference - 20+ minutes of Grade A BS - sometimes over and over if you’re unlucky and want to keep queueing for some reason. The question here is really, how is a 15-minute debuff from this repeated nonsense really a punishment? It’s only a punishment if you have some weird desire to queue back in right away.
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People 100% hop on an alt and que up right away to fish for a win. It’s an oversimplification a bit that people only don’t want an L but this is an issue in every single PvP game and hence every single PvP game has an account wide stacking debuff. It actually makes no sense that wow doesn’t.
Anyways… easy fix. Account wide stack debuff starting at 1 minute and doubling everytime you leave in a day (resets 24 hours after your last non leaver game). Then add a vote forfeit that people can initiate at the 3-5 minute mark. A person can only initiate the vote once and it has a 1 min cd before someone else can initiate it.
Spam leavers are annoying and this satisfies the leavers with the vote and the no leavers with an account wide stacking penalty that starts low as people have rl stuff sometimes.
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It doesn’t really annoy me. Games where people drop out, I mean. I realize on some level that having those people replaced might actually prove to be an advantage, outside of the period when you’re simply down x number of people - not a guarantee. I’m talking about games that are relatively close where people leave.
I was playing some late night games last night and every single losing bg we were basically 3 men down for most of the match. Oddly winning matches nobody ever left. Funny how that works. Anyways. Annoying to the people who stick it out and annoying to anyone that gets back filled into a losing game.
Stacking account wide debuff and forfeit vote pls 
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Yeah, I’ll leave it at that. I don’t want to reduce this whole thing to a conflict between different but basically selfish viewpoints; anyway, no point getting too excited about it… it’s just a game after all.
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Not really, sure some people do that but it’s not the majority, most people just want fun games, sync exploiters make games not fun at all. Fix sync exploiting first.
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What would happen is you would succeed in getting less leavers but they wouler just become afkers instead.
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The current 15 min timer for leaving is fine - no need to penalize any more considering how many random bgs and random epics are full of premades.
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Two things can be true at the same time.
The leaver penalty should be improved.
Battlegrounds should be improved.
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Never stated otherwise, but im not surprised that you don’t realize this.
If you want BGs to be rife with busted one sided stomps, for all of the various reasons that cause them, then thats fine. just quit crying about people who afk out of them. It doesn’t even affect you. You’re either enjoying the easy win or losing anyway.
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MAYBE because it’s common sense, if 'it’s a losing battleground, why bother getting zerged every time .
everyone who stays and doesn’t afk out is affected.
Either that or they wouldn’t queue period.
Asking for increased penalties for unrated is asinine. 
Positively. The worst thing you can do is trap somebody in a BG that doesnt want to be there. They will just start raging in chat to torpedo the already low morale team into arguing, or afk, and so on.
you’re just 100% wrong here on all levels. the best thing for everybody, other than the back fill, is for that person to be gone and replaced. This is why the back fill should get rewards as if they won.
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the afk exodus isnt a positive thing. the players backfilling into a losing game also tend to afk out and the cycle continues.