Again though, do you know what they did with that testing?
Seriously they had some freedoms seriously impinged on. I don’t trust any government to do some of the stuff they did.
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Nah man only focus on one half with blinders on. It’s the Forums way.
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South Korea had those people too.
Look up Patient 31.
Although we will be way too far down the list, as far as the actual worst response, Google “Turkmenistan coronavirus”. 
I already explained why this was not a thing. Our system does not work that way. It literally takes time to get independent labs/hospitals operating on the same page.
People are very uninformed about how health-care in this country works and seem to think it’s a simple “Well just test people now!” kinda thing. It’s not.
Edit: and as for South Korea, they have a population of 50 million vs a US population of 330 million with the South Korean health-care system run by the Ministry of Health and Welfare, in other words, a national system that covers 97% of the population, not independent systems.
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I think the point is that for this sort of situation, it doesn’t work.
We do have FEMA and the CDC and theoretically (and quite legally) they could have taken the lead on this.
Deaths per million population
Italy 218, Spain 195, Belgium 71, the Netherlands 68, France 62, Switzerland 53, Iran 36, the UK 35,Sweden 24, Portugal 18, Denmark 18, Ireland 17, Austria 16, the USA 14, Germany 11, Norway 8, Greece 5; Turkey, South Korea, Canada, and Israel 3 each, Brazil 1, Australia 0.8, Argentina 0.6, Mexico 0.2, South Africa 0.08, India 0.03
EDIT: this thing is quite dynamic so the numbers above are probably already outdated, and they don’t take into account time from first incident or differences in reporting methods, the point simply being that total numbers per country make good headlines but are actually meaningless.
If the governors of the states many of those spring breakers went to had ordered the closings of public areas, disallowed gatherings over a certain number etc. etc. like other governors did (or if there was a federal order!) then they would not have been able to gather as they did. Sure, they still wouldn’t have taken it seriously but their options for proving their idiocy would have been limited.
As to the South Korea question, one of the things that needs to be noted is density of population. The closer people are packed together the bigger the outbreak will be. SK is pretty densely populated yet has one of the lower death rates so far and they have had it in their country for quite awhile. A day earlier than us by my research. Being prepared and having proper testing available has gone a long way for them.
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It’s a sword that cuts both ways, as I was just explaining to Rocax.
You want cutting edge treatments? You want advanced R&D? Independent systems tend to lead the way. Their funding allows for it and attracts the talent.
You want a nation that under threat is fast with a response (be that response successful or not) national systems have that edge.
Edit: Btw, you’re quoting population numbers out of context. My population numbers have zero to do with deaths or headlines. I am stating you have a small country (the size of one state) with a national system covering close to all of that small nation vs a very large nation with a huge number of independent networks that take time, effort, and money, to get concurrent on testing ability.
A national health system doesn’t imply a nationalized medical equipment or drug industry (see Germany, UK, France). But the issue in this case is a national disaster response system, not a national health care system.
As to that, my point was simply to show that total numbers per country are meaningless, I was actually supporting your argument.
There’s a difference between multi-payer systems (IE Germany) and universal systems (IE France/UK) and national systems (IE S. Korea).
And yes, numbers per country are A. not accurate, and B. meaningless.
Our nation hasn’t done too bad (considering our setup) in response. What bothers me now is states playing fast and loose with this (read as Arizona).
What are you referring to? I looked up local news there and other than a rather late stay at home order, I didn’t see anything glaring but searches, when vague, can lead to too much info to filter through.
People are going to feel dumb after this is all said and done and we see the damage done to the economy over a flu strain that doesn’t kill as many people as the flu on a yearly basis.
I am sure when the CDC is handed its new powers “cause covid -19” things happened everyone will just turn a blind eye.
Snipping and pasting for convenience.
" Arizona’s strategies to contain the new coronavirus remain less aggressive than those adopted by several other states, even after Gov. Doug Ducey changed his tune on school closures and public gatherings in rapid succession Sunday.
By the time the Republican leader decided to shutter schools for two weeks, for instance, more than 30 of his peers had closed or shared plans to close schools in their states.
His recommendation to follow federal guidelines urging people to postpone or cancel events with more than 50 people came after about 10 other governors had banned large gatherings, with [one going a step further and limiting attendance to 25].
Ducey has not shut down on-site consumption at restaurants and bars, [as leaders in California, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Ohio and Washington have]. Nor has he shuttered state parks and museums, [like New Mexico’s governor], or said he’s weighing a statewide curfew,[ like New Jersey’s top executive].
In fact, Sunday’s announcements came after weeks of avoiding measures that would significantly disrupt Arizonans’ plans, and days after Ducey and other top officials said they saw no reason to cancel large gatherings or shut down in-person instruction."
I haven’t been keeping up state to state with this very well, but I know someone in AZ that told me “nothing’s changed here” after the state had confirmed 247 cases. Which made me 
Hopefully they’ve stepped it up.
Edit: I just checked my celly to peep the date of that conversation. It was March 24th.
Well the shut down order took effect there as of today so apparently on par with Florida where they too have done horribly.
Wherever you get your information, I would suggest you never get information from it again. The flu kills less than 1% of those who contract it (It also has a yearly vaccine). Right now the Covid is killing around 3%.
We’re still in the early stages, the economy is going to crash whether we stay home or go to work. I understand there have been a few voices who have claimed they’d be willing to sacrifice themselves for the well being of the economy. How noble. Talk is cheap though but by all means if someone is willing to sacrifice themselves, they should go for it. They just can’t go involving anyone else who isn’t so brave. That would just make that person a murderer.
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Ridiculous. I’m glad they finally did it, but good grief…
The sheer lack of misinformation here is astounding. Seriously the flu has a .1% mortality rate. In Italy when a healthcare system was overwhelmed it was over 10%. That’s 100X more lethal. Even here where we have a decent health care system the death rate is 1-3%. That’s still 10X more lethal.
If we didn’t shut things down just as many people who get sick from the flu every year got covid… Do you know how many people would die?
Bleh people that don’t understand the comparison to the flu make me sad.
Also this part is extremely comical… Have you seen what’s happened in the states. The cdc doesn’t do anything basically but advise. Every state has a different way of dealing with this mess. The cdcs recommendations have been widely ignored. It’s more of a research organization than anything.
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And this validates my point above about too many people not taking this serious enough in this country.
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I can’t even address that kind of stupidity. I’m leaving it to Squeek and Nawat. All I want to do is start with the extreme insulting and derision.
Anyone in their life that is compromised (regardless of age) or older (parents/grandparents) are at high risk, but hey, eff 'em, right? 
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At the risk of being too pedantic about it:
It isn’t an Influenza virus, it’s a corona virus, a different family of germs (like strep isn’t staff with bacteria and apes aren’t monkeys with primates).
I’m in the effing epicenter of the outbreak here (N.Y./NJ metro) and there’s regular reports of people still gathering in large groups.
Economies can recover, human beings have survived for as long as we have without some life and death necessity of “economy”. Our literal species survival is not contingent upon economic stability.
Never in human history, however, has anyone been brought back to life.
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