Stopped right here. There absolutely is an authority on how the BG is to be played. It’s listed in Blizzard’s EULA. Participation is required.
You misunderstand. I’m not on a crusade to hold this up. If people are innocent I absolutely 100% want their sanctions lifted and would even want compensation for them. The issue I have is that we don’t know who’s innocent and who isn’t.
I mean those don’t really compare.
Doing something because it’s easy AND you don’t have to contribute/pay attention is against the ToS.
There were ban waves like this in BC prepatch, but nothing like this.
Yeah, and I countered your point with a question, asked you who this authority is, and you simply replied… players.
And I’m sure you are going to proceed to tell me which “players” in BGs are the authority.
I’m sure your Monthly Box subscription and Online store are wildly successful.
Like I said, believe Blizzard if you want, but it’s pure naivety. A blue post doesn’t suddenly mean the facts are on your side lmao.
The fact is people are right for questioning Blizzard, a company who has a history of mistakes and semi-nefarious practices depending on who you ask, when people are getting banned for something they didn’t do.
You’re saying “but it’s better if it clears the AFKers” and are okay with the collateral damage. Whether it’s automated or a GM mistake, which is really neither here nor there and never has been, it’s wrong. The utilitarian approach is horrible when they’re slapping innocent people with 30 day bans, and what’s worse is that you actually trust their appeal system. Well, if it happens to you, and you slip through the cracks of moderation and your appeal gets denied, I hope you quietly sit back happily because it is for a good cause.
They’re wronging people, and they shouldn’t be in the first place. That’s what I entered this thread saying. Have a less haphazard method of banning people. No wonder people are pissed. I can only imagine how your customers are treated.
Exactly. That is the thing here. The game has things to stop this from happening. You can get an idle debuff that saps your honor. You get kicked from a game if you go AFK. If you get reported a lot you can get removed and loss of honor.
If someone is notorious for these things happening to them then my god do something. Or have these things a little more aggressive. But to not experience any of these things and then when you are playing the game suddenly you DC and find out you have a 30 day ban for being idle is just really confusing. Totally doesn’t make sense that you have those things, that don’t activate, but a hidden parser running in the back ground can tag you and and give you a 30 day ban.
Just makes no sense.
Same, guess we’re just lucky? Gotta wonder if most of the people getting banned just run to the enemy base and sit and wait for the pull.
The people auto shoving the last week to Van / Drek not doing the BG and spamming chat with “just lose, its faster honor” should feel more guilty than the people leveling IMHO.
I’ve queue’d up the last week with a group and we back capped and wiped the alliance at Drek sending them back to start kicking off an actual battle for the BG and I’ve seen plenty of people complain and cry about having to actually play the game, or not having a 10 min loss, even to the point of just leaving.
Those people should feel guilty, they legit ruin PvP.
Yes, people lie when to do otherwise would make them (rightfully) look incompetent, it’s almost like it’s base human nature or something!
Also since it seems to have been overlooked, one of the community council members got a 30 day ban for this too. From having no account actions ever in their entire history, to an immediate 30 day ban for “suspicious” battleground activities.
The entire thing is automated and wrongly flagging people and if you believe Blizzard for a second you’re unbelievably stupid.
…and those people might need a weekend ban. No complaints. But the problem there is a lot of people up there might just be dumb. Not knowing what to do. You see 15 people run up there, and you are like… alright… lets do this… aren’t all people crying about forcing a loss. Someone standing at a tower is not crying about forcing a loss. A lot of people are caught up in this that are just bad at PVP. While that can be annoying it isn’t and shouldn’t be a bannable offense. Let alone a 30 day ban. If anything explain why they were banned, take a week off, and lets move on.
Their are people that bot in this game for 2 expansions now are haven’t felt a 30 day ban. These people sat in a game doing something and got 30. Just a really bad look.
I am told the CS forums are pointless to post in for this, so I came over here.
I also am a victim of this 30 day banwave with no earthly idea why it happened. I put in an appeal already so no need to reference that.
I have played WoW since vanilla beta and have never had an account action against me. I am not going to reiterate everything that has been said but I genuinely am baffeled. I have been grinding AV/Bg’s like everyone else to grab some gear for my characters. I don’t troll or cuss out people…I play with my friends and we hang out on discord talking. Very harmless. I do see TONS of toxic people blabbering away, sitting in Drek’s room or starting cave the entire match and I report them if I notice it.
I am guilty of defending towers so I guess it could look like non-participation. But you go to X tower to defend until it caps, no one attacks it, head to Van’s room and when I am almost there, he is dead. So on paper it looks like I did nothing but in reality I was there, active and participating the entire time. If the alliance do try and back cap, I do defend it.
I legit am at a loss. Supposedly they verify this “over several matches and have repeated patterns”. I am probably guilty of this since I have played countless of AV games so I fairly certain I have done same thing more than once. The one thing I have not done is AFK or not participated.
30 day ban is extremely excessive. Not even a warning. I am more disappointed in Blizzard than angry.
Players, as in, community sentiment, individual teams, etc. I also said Blizzard themselves were an authority figure on this issue of sorts. It is their game after all.
I never said they were wrong for this. I just think some point along the line of questioning, when confronted with the evidence, people should be able to logically conclude that Blizzard doesn’t have a system in place that deals out automatic suspensions when a report threshold exists.
Where did I say this? You’re strawmanning now. I’ve said, multiple times now, innocent people should be unbanned.
This is what our entire discussion has been about.
No disagreement here. If a large amount of innocent people were hit with 30 day bans, I’d want to see an investigation into why and how that happened.
I do, it’s a very thorough process.
I have not once argued nor supported the idea that innocent people being sanctioned is a good thing.
We don’t know that yet.
Not all of us lie. The CS agents consistently are open about Blizzard’s shortcomings, why would they hide this one?
Lol afkers mass crying about being banned. Maybe don’t afk in BG’s and you won’t get banned, seems like a pretty easy way t not get banned.
Yup. I the 30 day ban is the worse of the worse part of it. You can buy gold in this game WEEKLY and maybe get 2-3 days off. You can bot and probably never face a ban. But if you defend a tower in AV you get to miss the WotLK launch and sit out for 30 days.
Absolutely the worse thing I have ever seen in this game.
I don’t see any of them in the trenches out there with me. Makes me wonder if you even BG at all.
I was defending towers in AV not afking alliance love to back cap
Stop posting, troll.
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Ah the ol “defending towers” trick.
If Blizzard is trying to prevent people from going AFK, why don’t they make deserter more harsh and the AFK timer quicker?
Instead of it taking 5 minutes to AFK out, make it 30 seconds or a minute.
Instead of deserter being 15 minutes, make it 30 minutes.
If you get a second deserter within 24 hours, make the second deserter last 2 hours.
If you get a third deserter within 24 hours, make the third deserter last 24 hours.
If you get four deserters in a week, make the fourth deserter last a week.
How hard could this possibly be to come up with a reasonable system which doesn’t involve a mass ban wave of 30 days overlapping the launch of an expansion?