10/25/2018 10:55 PMPosted by
Korraxe
Also, I don’t know when you started playing, but losing abilities never used to happen. They actually expanded on things instead of pruning them. Pruning has gotten them 10 million fewer players over time.
Umm the pruning started in cata. I dont know how long you been playing but losing talents and abilities all started in cata. Wrath was the last time this game had the most class stuff.
10/25/2018 10:55 PMPosted by
Korraxe
So great, if you’re fine with the turd sandwich they made you, get off the forums and go play. You’re in every thread white Knighting, go play if you’re having fun. Or start a thread about how the game is fine, nothing to see here, and see how that goes.
Hey pal i got a better idea, why dont you and your whiny friends take a hike and quit wow. You dont like the game direction then freaking leave.
10/26/2018 12:03 AMPosted by
Iskandi
Hey pal i got a better idea, why dont you and your whiny friends take a hike and quit wow. You dont like the game direction then freaking leave.
I'm going to stick it out and continue to post feedback on things I like and dislike. We all pay our 15 and have a right to at least give constructive criticism on things that we think need improving.
10/26/2018 12:03 AMPosted by
Iskandi
10/25/2018 10:55 PMPosted by
Korraxe
Also, I don’t know when you started playing, but losing abilities never used to happen. They actually expanded on things instead of pruning them. Pruning has gotten them 10 million fewer players over time.
Umm the pruning started in cata. I dont know how long you been playing but losing talents and abilities all started in cata. Wrath was the last time this game had the most class stuff.
10/25/2018 10:55 PMPosted by
Korraxe
So great, if you’re fine with the turd sandwich they made you, get off the forums and go play. You’re in every thread white Knighting, go play if you’re having fun. Or start a thread about how the game is fine, nothing to see here, and see how that goes.
Hey pal i got a better idea, why dont you and your whiny friends take a hike and quit wow. You dont like the game direction then freaking leave.
We are, over 10 million since Wrath, keep asking people to leave. Or go play the game...that’s why Blizz is now sending out surveys for feedback. Gettin punched in the wallet.
Honestly though, PAL, why would you care about feedback on forums if you’re enjoying the game? Just go play. If everything is great, why are you here White Knighting the forums? Are you not entertained? Oh, never mind, almost 41000 posts on the forums. You realize, that after maybe 3 minutes to read about the topic, couple minutes to post your defense of Blizzard, you’ve spent over 200000 minutes here, conservatively? That’s like 138 days, man. How sad is that?
And yes, Cata did start the downward trend. Been here since 6 months before BC, funny how the subs have dropped symmetrically with them removing or pruning things out of the game.
10/26/2018 12:09 AMPosted by
Jalen
I'm going to stick it out and continue to post feedback on things I like and dislike. We all pay our 15 and have a right to at least give constructive criticism on things that we think need improving.
The problem is man that you list all this stuff and yeah people upvote you, but like i said blizzard can only do small changes. A lot of stuff will require a new expansion, simply because things like warfronts the azerite system cant really be removed or changed. Its deeply entrenched in how they balanced out the game for BfA. And while i agree with some things like i said i cant stand the GCD the azerite system or the way they handled pvp gearing. I have to give a hearty no bueno on removing TF or PL, and i like IEs and warfronts.
The rest of the stuff dont bother me cept class spells and abilities. But hey i raged about that for years when they started removing things in cata. Thats not going to change look how every xpack they have trimmed it back.
Honestly they could have done better by not using the azerite gear system, giving us a 120 talent row to help offset the loss of artifacts and leggos. Put pvp back the way it was with vendors, let us go back to the old way of gearing with the new, no azerite just quests raids dungeons crafted WQs and rare drops.
IEs could have been a fun side adventure if they would have removed the azerite bar. You could go in on a little longer timer have a quest pop up when you load in and get a box reward that could have pets or mog or mounts in it depending on what you kill in the time allotted.
Honestly the whole azerite system is trash and yes thats the core of the xpack, and thats what went wrong. But i said this all before in a thread weeks ago. I love wow too, been playing 12 years straight cept a few months here and there.
We are, over 10 million since Wrath, keep asking people to leave. Or go play the game...that’s why Blizz is now sending out surveys for feedback. Gettin punched in the wallet.
Honestly though, PAL, why would you care about feedback on forums if you’re enjoying the game? Just go play. If everything is great, why are you here White Knighting the forums? Are you not entertained?
And yes, Cata did start the downward trend. Been here since 6 months before BC, funny how the subs have dropped symmetrically with them removing or pruning things out of the game.
I did play tonight i play most nights im winding down getting ready for bed. I think you fail to take in one big thing that also hits subs, the fact that mmorpgs are a dying breed. They are all dying as people drop out because battle royal games shooters and app games are all the rage. Society really dont want to be tied to the pc for hours every night to get somewhere in a game.
We are the last and when we are gone so to will mmorpgs be gone.
10/26/2018 12:17 AMPosted by
Korraxe
Oh, never mind, almost 41000 posts on the forums. You realize, that after maybe 3 minutes to read about the topic, couple minutes to post your defense of Blizzard, you’ve spent over 200000 minutes here, conservatively? That’s like 138 days, man. How sad is that?
Oh you want to call me on my post count..yeah 12 years. So where you been you just discover the forums or something?
10/26/2018 12:20 AMPosted by
Iskandi
The problem is man that you list all this stuff and yeah people upvote you, but like i said blizzard can only do small changes. A lot of stuff will require a new expansion, simply because things like warfronts the azerite system cant really be removed or changed. Its deeply entrenched in how they balanced out the game for BfA. And while i agree with some things like i said i cant stand the GCD the azerite system or the way they handled pvp gearing. I have to give a hearty no bueno on removing TF or PL, and i like IEs and warfronts.
The rest of the stuff dont bother me cept class spells and abilities. But hey i raged about that for years when they started removing things in cata. Thats not going to change look how every xpack they have trimmed it back.
I mean. I feel that the thing that's always said is....
"Well. I'm sure things will be better next expansion"
It just comes across that nothing's ever going to get better, and any feedback will be ignored. Yes, Blizzard are making changes right now but there was already plenty of feedback that would have prevented all the dislike towards the expansion.
I made this thread in a means to get this in the spotlight and finally put things in a constructive manner of why I personally don't like BFA. As well as including other peoples feedback that was ignored. The GCD change has been ignored by Blizz even though people are posting about their dislike towards it constantly. And yeah, even things like PL and Titanforging are still getting ignored. Both of those changes came at the expense of the high end players who most of them threw up their eyebrows in confusion at the accusations thrown at us.
10/26/2018 12:20 AMPosted by
Iskandi
Honestly they could have done better by not using the azerite gear system, giving us a 120 talent row to help offset the loss of artifacts and leggos. Put pvp back the way it was with vendors, let us go back to the old way of gearing with the new, no azerite just quests raids dungeons crafted WQs and rare drops.
I'd be all for this. Some legendaries and artifact abilities would have to have been baked into the class and talents but we'd still kind of have that feeling of not really progressive ourselves.
10/26/2018 12:20 AMPosted by
Iskandi
IEs could have been a fun side adventure if they would have removed the azerite bar. You could go in on a little longer timer have a quest pop up when you load in and get a box reward that could have pets or mog or mounts in it depending on what you kill in the time allotted.
I think that IEs could have been a touch more interesting. And on top of that like I said I think different types of layouts would be cool. Most of it is just open locations with some flat terrain instead of switching it up a bit and making things a little more linear or a labyrinth type of layout.
10/26/2018 12:20 AMPosted by
Iskandi
Honestly the whole azerite system is trash and yes thats the core of the xpack, and thats what went wrong. But i said this all before in a thread weeks ago. I love wow too, been playing 12 years straight cept a few months here and there.
Yeah I'm a Wrath baby. So I came in at the peak of WoW and saw it at its greatest. I didn't get to play with the greatest, but the game felt like an RPG that encouraged socializing and organized groups for raids.
10/26/2018 12:20 AMPosted by
Iskandi
10/26/2018 12:09 AMPosted by
Jalen
I'm going to stick it out and continue to post feedback on things I like and dislike. We all pay our 15 and have a right to at least give constructive criticism on things that we think need improving.
The problem is man that you list all this stuff and yeah people upvote you, but like i said blizzard can only do small changes. A lot of stuff will require a new expansion, simply because things like warfronts the azerite system cant really be removed or changed. Its deeply entrenched in how they balanced out the game for BfA. And while i agree with some things like i said i cant stand the GCD the azerite system or the way they handled pvp gearing. I have to give a hearty no bueno on removing TF or PL, and i like IEs and warfronts.
The rest of the stuff dont bother me cept class spells and abilities. But hey i raged about that for years when they started removing things in cata. Thats not going to change look how every xpack they have trimmed it back.
Honestly they could have done better by not using the azerite gear system, giving us a 120 talent row to help offset the loss of artifacts and leggos. Put pvp back the way it was with vendors, let us go back to the old way of gearing with the new, no azerite just quests raids dungeons crafted WQs and rare drops.
IEs could have been a fun side adventure if they would have removed the azerite bar. You could go in on a little longer timer have a quest pop up when you load in and get a box reward that could have pets or mog or mounts in it depending on what you kill in the time allotted.
Honestly the whole azerite system is trash and yes thats the core of the xpack, and thats what went wrong. But i said this all before in a thread weeks ago. I love wow too, been playing 12 years straight cept a few months here and there.
blizzard is a multi million dollar company so wym they can only do SMALL changes like...................
Oh right so everyone who disagrees is a briandead monkey. Check.
I don't understand players and this "Master Loot" problem. Stop asking for Blizzard to remove things or bring this back, however, you can ask them to incorporate a system within personal loot that allow you to trade pieces to players who may need it. Master Loot was a scam loot system guilds/pugs took advantage over with little consequences for those individuals actions and no rewards to those who were effected by this except to wait next week for another RNG fest. Also, guilds abused Master Loot to deck out officers and GMs rather then spreading loot to those who worked hard. Not all guilds do this but a lot did when the Scam System was out. Now that individuals are able to get loot they deserve, if they haven't met the RNG Boss, they feel more rewarded.
10/14/2018 05:05 PMPosted by
Jalen
Let me start by saying this
Cheers to you for typing out 12 pages.
I didnt read it all, i imagine ill agree with some and not others
But i can reasonably say this i read more and other people here on GD read more that Blizz ever will.
10/26/2018 01:21 AMPosted by
Hamidon
I don't understand players and this "Master Loot" problem.
I'm quoting this from another thread that I posted in but I think it'll answer what you don't understand.
10/23/2018 03:31 PMPosted by
Jalen
Hmm...well. The issue with PL is we have no control over where loot can be distributed to within our raid group. And before you call me a toxic elitist that only distributed loot to myself I'd like to say hello! I'm the raid leader for our guild. And during our M Antorus progression we never had any drama with loot distribution.
For Hunters we had to use an old tier set before the current one became relevant. Wanna know what I said?
"Give it to others first. If others can get their sets first then pass it along to us"
Don't believe me? Well here's our logs.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/txPkAZTVMDcy364G#fight=19&type=damage-done
I didn't get over 970 ilvl until we got to Aggramar. We acted like adults, put the pieces that dropped that were BiS in those classes hands right away, and made it to the end because of our teamwork.
But now with PL. We have situations like the weapon from M Taloc that drops is only dropping for people that can't trade it to others either due to it being their first 385 or because it warforged to 395.
We're a team. We're all friends on the team. The fact that having friends and working together to make it to the end is a foreign concept these days really hurts the game. And it hurts the social and team aspect of the game when we're not able to help one another when gear drops under circumstances listed in the previous paragraph.
10/26/2018 01:31 AMPosted by
Jalen
10/26/2018 01:21 AMPosted by
Hamidon
I don't understand players and this "Master Loot" problem.
I'm quoting this from another thread that I posted in but I think it'll answer what you don't understand.
10/23/2018 03:31 PMPosted by
Jalen
Hmm...well. The issue with PL is we have no control over where loot can be distributed to within our raid group. And before you call me a toxic elitist that only distributed loot to myself I'd like to say hello! I'm the raid leader for our guild. And during our M Antorus progression we never had any drama with loot distribution.
For Hunters we had to use an old tier set before the current one became relevant. Wanna know what I said?
"Give it to others first. If others can get their sets first then pass it along to us"
Don't believe me? Well here's our logs.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/txPkAZTVMDcy364G#fight=19&type=damage-done
I didn't get over 970 ilvl until we got to Aggramar. We acted like adults, put the pieces that dropped that were BiS in those classes hands right away, and made it to the end because of our teamwork.
But now with PL. We have situations like the weapon from M Taloc that drops is only dropping for people that can't trade it to others either due to it being their first 385 or because it warforged to 395.
We're a team. We're all friends on the team. The fact that having friends and working together to make it to the end is a foreign concept these days really hurts the game. And it hurts the social and team aspect of the game when we're not able to help one another when gear drops under circumstances listed in the previous paragraph.
And if you read my reply you would know my views on Master Loot and Personal Loot and how Blizz can add a system that will allow players who get Personal Loot trade it to those who need it.
10/26/2018 01:43 AMPosted by
Hamidon
And if you read my reply you would know my views on Master Loot and Personal Loot and how Blizz can add a system that will allow players who get Personal Loot trade it to those who need it.
Then we'd be back at square one. The same people who think guilds that abused ML would be upset because the evil Master Looter or Loot Councils will force you to give them your loot for redistribution.
I'm having fun, but it's a game. You don't have to play if you don't want.
I'm having fun, but it's a game. You don't have to play if you don't want.
Thing is I'm on both ships. I want to unsub because the game itself isn't enjoyable. I but I want to stick around because I've made a guild that I'm attached to with a lot of friends that I've made over the years I've been playing.
TL;DR Love the people, strongly dislike the game design
10/26/2018 01:48 AMPosted by
Jalen
10/26/2018 01:43 AMPosted by
Hamidon
And if you read my reply you would know my views on Master Loot and Personal Loot and how Blizz can add a system that will allow players who get Personal Loot trade it to those who need it.
Then we'd be back at square one. The same people who think guilds that abused ML would be upset because the evil Master Looter or Loot Councils will force you to give them your loot for redistribution.
I don't see/understand your argument here. You want loot others don't need of that armor/weapon class? Right? So Devs should add a system to Personal Loot that will allow an individual who received loot you could use become trade able, and this gives control to that Person rather then having someone "control" your loot. But it seems you and others are so fixated on Master Loot. So what do you really want? To have "control" over everyone/all loot or to able to get loot others don't need? And if its to get loot others don't need then ask the Devs to add that system into Personal Loot. Plus there are guilds who seem to be progressing well with Personal Loot because those who are performing don't have to wait 5 months to get one piece of loot due to council loot, AKA hold you back Loot system.
10/14/2018 05:09 PMPosted by
Amine
I am part of the playerbase though and I don't have a problem with most things you are QQ'ing about.
Post from your main toon so that we can see your raid progression - otherwise your opinion is invalid.
If you post from your main toon and it turns out you're only 3/8 LFR - guess what? Your opinion is invalid.
Don't make suggestions for this game if you don't even put the time in nor have experienced at least 6/8 Uldir Heroic.
10/26/2018 01:53 AMPosted by
Jalen
I'm having fun, but it's a game. You don't have to play if you don't want.
Thing is I'm on both ships. I want to unsub because the game itself isn't enjoyable. I but I want to stick around because I've made a guild that I'm attached to with a lot of friends that I've made over the years I've been playing.
TL;DR Love the people, strongly dislike the game design
See if 8.1 does stuff to help that. I think it will personally. Maybe see if your guild wants to do some old stuff in the mean time.
10/26/2018 01:57 AMPosted by
Snuwfer
10/14/2018 05:09 PMPosted by
Amine
I am part of the playerbase though and I don't have a problem with most things you are QQ'ing about.
Post from your main toon so that we can see your raid progression - otherwise your opinion is invalid.
If you post from your main toon and it turns out you're only 3/8 LFR - guess what? Your opinion is invalid.
How about me? I'm having fun.
10/26/2018 01:48 AMPosted by
Jalen
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Then we'd be back at square one. The same people who think guilds that abused ML would be upset because the evil Master Looter or Loot Councils will force you to give them your loot for redistribution.
I don't see/understand your argument here. You want loot others don't need of that armor/weapon class? Right? So Devs should add a system to Personal Loot that will allow an individual who received loot you could use become trade able, and this gives control to that Person rather then having someone "control" your loot. But it seems you and others are so fixated on Master Loot. So what do you really want? To have "control" over loot or to able to get loot others don't need? And if its to get loot others don't need then ask the Devs to add that system into Personal Loot. Plus there are guilds who seem to be progressing well with Personal Loot because those who are performing don't have to wait 5 months to get one piece of loot due to council loot, AKA hold you back Loot system.
The only difference in the system that you're proposing is that the loot will be in the players hands first. The idea of ML was that it was in one individuals hands first and they distributed it. The people that demonize Master Looters will just come to the conclusion that they will require all members and trials to give up their loot and then redistribute it amongst the people they think are "worthy".
So yeah. We'd be back at square one.