See if 8.1 does stuff to help that. I think it will personally. Maybe see if your guild wants to do some old stuff in the mean time.
We're actually raiding Mythic Uldir right now. And even though we're enjoying the raid, the systems really have us a bit peeved.
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I don't see/understand your argument here. You want loot others don't need of that armor/weapon class? Right? So Devs should add a system to Personal Loot that will allow an individual who received loot you could use become trade able, and this gives control to that Person rather then having someone "control" your loot. But it seems you and others are so fixated on Master Loot. So what do you really want? To have "control" over loot or to able to get loot others don't need? And if its to get loot others don't need then ask the Devs to add that system into Personal Loot. Plus there are guilds who seem to be progressing well with Personal Loot because those who are performing don't have to wait 5 months to get one piece of loot due to council loot, AKA hold you back Loot system.
The only difference in the system that you're proposing is that the loot will be in the players hands first. The idea of ML was that it was in one individuals hands first and they distributed it. The people that demonize Master Looters will just come to the conclusion that they will require all members and trials to give up their loot and then redistribute it amongst the people they think are "worthy".
So yeah. We'd be back at square one.
And that ML system you're speaking of that gave the "power" of all loot to one player(s) hand and having that player distribute it became a scam system. Maybe you did not go through it but OH BOY a lot did. So I STILL don't see your argument. To me you are telling me and others YOU want to hold control over others loot rather then having that player have freedom of their own loot that they worked hard for. There is no back to square one you just not seeing the picture clearly, therefore, you are stuck on square one. I already proposed a system by allowing Personal Loot be trade able, but it seems you want to be in on control over others progress.
10/26/2018 02:09 AMPosted by
Hamidon
And that ML system you're speaking of that gave the "power" of all loot to one player(s) hand and having that player distribute it became a scam system. Maybe you did not go through it but OH BOY a lot did. So I STILL don't see your argument. To me you are telling me and others YOU want to hold control over others loot rather then having that player have freedom of their own loot that they worked hard for. There is no back to square one you just not seeing the picture clearly, therefore, you are stuck on square one.
So here's the thing. I'm the Raid Leader, but I didn't control where our loot goes. Please do not make assumptions about how I run our team.
As for the control, the only thing I wish to control is being able to put the BiS drops in the hands of players that can benefit from them the most. Our team has taken no freedom away when we were progressing in Antorus. They have the freedom to be a part of the team or not. Our loot distribution was fair and divided amongst our raiders equally. It's part of the acting like adults thing.
People don't seem to understand that giving loot to my friends doesn't equate to progression. It leads to burnout, frustration, and possibly even teams that fall apart. You can't make it to the end boss if only a portion of your raid team is geared to be able to dish out dps/hps, and survive mechanics that hit like a truck. It just doesn't work like that.
I think I can see the picture just fine because I've been on the casual end, the non RL position, and the RL position and I can say that there wasn't anything wrong with ML for it to be removed from the game entirely.
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Post from your main toon so that we can see your raid progression - otherwise your opinion is invalid.
If you post from your main toon and it turns out you're only 3/8 LFR - guess what? Your opinion is invalid.
How about me? I'm having fun.
I'm glad you're having fun.
10/26/2018 02:16 AMPosted by
Jalen
10/26/2018 02:09 AMPosted by
Hamidon
And that ML system you're speaking of that gave the "power" of all loot to one player(s) hand and having that player distribute it became a scam system. Maybe you did not go through it but OH BOY a lot did. So I STILL don't see your argument. To me you are telling me and others YOU want to hold control over others loot rather then having that player have freedom of their own loot that they worked hard for. There is no back to square one you just not seeing the picture clearly, therefore, you are stuck on square one.
So here's the thing. I'm the Raid Leader, but I didn't control where our loot goes. Please do not make assumptions about how I run our team.
As for the control, the only thing I wish to control is being able to put the BiS drops in the hands of players that can benefit from them the most. Our team has taken no freedom away when we were progressing in Antorus. They have the freedom to be a part of the team or not. Our loot distribution was fair and divided amongst our raiders equally. It's part of the acting like adults thing.
People don't seem to understand that giving loot to my friends doesn't equate to progression. It leads to burnout, frustration, and possibly even teams that fall apart. You can't make it to the end boss if only a portion of your raid team is geared to be able to dish out dps/hps, and survive mechanics that hit like a truck. It just doesn't work like that.
I think I can see the picture just fine because I've been on the casual end, the non RL position, and the RL position and I can say that there wasn't anything wrong with ML for it to be removed from the game entirely.
So here's the thing. I'm the Raid Leader, but I didn't control where our loot goes. Please do not make assumptions about how I run our team. Ok, but then you write
As for the control, the only thing I wish to control is being able to put the BiS drops in the hands of players that can benefit from them the most. That is taking control over Loot items even though it is BiS to another player that could also be BiS to the one you took it from that YOU felt that wasn't performing right, but that person felt they were. And if BiS dropped from Personal Loot you could ask that player to pass it to someone who need it if your guild is an "adult" about it. I tell you, people who want this ML gotta look out for them. No matter how you write it or look at it, you are taking control over loot regardless of how little the loot is to you.
10/26/2018 02:28 AMPosted by
Hamidon
That is taking control over Loot items even though it is BiS to another player that could also be BiS to the one you took it from that YOU felt that wasn't performing right, but that person felt they were.
You're making more assumptions on how I run my team. Posts like this are part of the problem where you make it seem like I'm a jerk to try and push your side. It's shows that you're inexperienced with the system and to be totally blunt, makes you look ignorant.
If you can't argue my point without trying to demonize me, then you don't have an argument at all.
10/26/2018 02:34 AMPosted by
Jalen
10/26/2018 02:28 AMPosted by
Hamidon
That is taking control over Loot items even though it is BiS to another player that could also be BiS to the one you took it from that YOU felt that wasn't performing right, but that person felt they were.
You're making more assumptions on how I run my team. Posts like this are part of the problem where you make it seem like I'm a jerk to try and push your side. It's shows that you're inexperienced with the system and to be totally blunt, makes you look ignorant.
If you can't argue my point without trying to demonize me, then you don't have an argument at all.
It doesn't make me look ignorant because I, like others, were victims of the Master Loot Scam. What I presented to you was a way to avoid Master Loot issues with a Personal Loot trade able option. There was a clear reason to WHY Master Looter was taken out in the first place, but it seems that you are still focused around "controlling" loot rather then seeing the issue behind it. I'm not making assumptions you already wrote that you wanted to "control" where "YOU" wanted the BiS loot to go. An to write I'm making assumptions when you assume I'm inexperienced with the Master Loot System is laughable. This isn't going anywhere anyways, so its best to leave it. You already seem fixated on controlling loot where as I feel happy with the current loot system.
I'm frustrated with the game at every expansion and major patch and usually have a few days where I wonder if the game is worth the time, money or effort.
However I find most of my enjoyment in the game not from the game itself but the communities and regular groups I take part in.
Break time. That is prime break* time talk.
10/26/2018 02:48 AMPosted by
Hamidon
It doesn't make me look ignorant because I, like others, were victims of the Master Loot Scam.
My first question would be what difficulty this was occurring in because when I speak with other Mythic Raiders, we all scratch our heads in confusion to who Blizzard is talking to when making statements like "trials deserve loot"
10/26/2018 02:48 AMPosted by
Hamidon
There was a clear reason to WHY Master Looter was taken out in the first place, but it seems that you are still focused around "controlling" loot rather then seeing the issue behind it. I'm not making assumptions you already wrote that you wanted to "control" where "YOU" wanted the BiS loot to go. An to write I'm making assumptions when you assume I'm inexperienced with the Master Loot System is laughable.
I say that you must be inexperienced because you continuously deny any of the good qualities of what made ML good for Mythic progression.
10/14/2018 05:09 PMPosted by
Amine
I am part of the playerbase though and I don't have a problem with most things you are QQ'ing about.
I like personal loot and agree with the removal of master loot.
There is a reason why mythic plus which is spammable doesn't drop azerite gear.
I like island expeditions - for such short of content you really need a slash and burn approach.
People claimed they wanted to 'earn' things in this game - the neck does that.
I'm happy you enjoy the game. I do many parts of it.
But while you disagree with the OP and sticking around, everyone else is leaving the game. Surely that must tell us something: the majority do not like the systems.
10/26/2018 10:54 PMPosted by
Strauss
10/14/2018 05:09 PMPosted by
Amine
I am part of the playerbase though and I don't have a problem with most things you are QQ'ing about.
I like personal loot and agree with the removal of master loot.
There is a reason why mythic plus which is spammable doesn't drop azerite gear.
I like island expeditions - for such short of content you really need a slash and burn approach.
People claimed they wanted to 'earn' things in this game - the neck does that.
I'm happy you enjoy the game. I do many parts of it.
But while you disagree with the OP and sticking around, everyone else is leaving the game. Surely that must tell us something: the majority do not like the systems.
I've heard that Blizz is sending out emails asking what people don't like about BFA? If yes, I hope that they take peoples feedback to heart.
Unfortunately I think BFA is unsalvageable, there is just way too much wrong with it. Additionally, I think this is the beginning of the end for modern WoW. Maybe they will release one or two more expansions. Classic wow will be a major success though, and will reinvigorate life into the franchise.
10/14/2018 06:13 PMPosted by
Jalen
PL doesn't prevent players from getting items or progressing through content. Therefore there is no good argument that supports ML. WE all pay the same subscription fee to play the game. Nobody, not even a guild you willingly join, should have any say over what kind of reward you get while playing the game. You do not get more items from master looter, unless you're using it in an abusive way.
Guilds and the raiding environment are better off without master looting for a vast majority of players.
It was never about players unable to get loot or items in question. It was about speeding up the process for whatever was required for the next fight on Mythic. Like I said, Mythic Zul can be cheesed with Sub Rogues, and Mythic Mythrax and G'huun can be cheesed with Warlocks.
As for the speeding it up, it was putting BiS pieces in the hands of classes that needed them most. We look at loot as a % increase. So if it's someones BiS and it increases their numbers by 10% we're going to give it to that player.
Translation , that means the guild clique get the loot and you are SOL get ready for next pull the guild masters best friend needs this trinket from the next boss
10/14/2018 06:13 PMPosted by
Jalen
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It was never about players unable to get loot or items in question. It was about speeding up the process for whatever was required for the next fight on Mythic. Like I said, Mythic Zul can be cheesed with Sub Rogues, and Mythic Mythrax and G'huun can be cheesed with Warlocks.
As for the speeding it up, it was putting BiS pieces in the hands of classes that needed them most. We look at loot as a % increase. So if it's someones BiS and it increases their numbers by 10% we're going to give it to that player.
Translation , that means the guild clique get the loot and you are SOL get ready for next pull the guild masters best friend needs this trinket from the next boss
Your translation only makes sense to those who are inexperienced with proper loot distribution and a solid team.
I'm pretty close to unsubbing. It bothers me, the game has just strayed so far away from what I liked originally. I really love my toon and I met a lot of amazing people on this game but, I don't know. I think I'm finally removing my rose colored goggles.
10/26/2018 11:38 PMPosted by
Mousÿ
I'm pretty close to unsubbing. It bothers me, the game has just strayed so far away from what I liked originally. I really love my toon and I met a lot of amazing people on this game but, I don't know. I think I'm finally removing my rose colored goggles.
This is far from the game that we all once used to love. At least Blizzard is bringing back classic, because I'm done with modern wow.
10/26/2018 11:38 PMPosted by
Mousÿ
I'm pretty close to unsubbing. It bothers me, the game has just strayed so far away from what I liked originally. I really love my toon and I met a lot of amazing people on this game but, I don't know. I think I'm finally removing my rose colored goggles.
I feel the same way. And it makes me extremely sad to see how much things have changed.
I've been playing since vanilla and haven't let my sub run out in 13 years. This expansion is unbearable, pure trash, I don't like anything about it. My sub ends in two weeks and I won't be coming back. Hopefully Blizzard fixes some things in the next expansion, but I highly doubt it, their heads are way to far up their own asses.
I've been playing since vanilla and haven't let my sub run out in 13 years. This expansion is unbearable, pure trash, I don't like anything about it. My sub ends in two weeks and I won't be coming back. Hopefully Blizzard fixes some things in the next expansion, but I highly doubt it, their heads are way to far up their own asses.
Well if what they said on Reddit is true and Blizz is sending out emails to players to get feedback on why they've quit the game, I think they do care. I do believe BFA can be saved. There's a lot of work to do for sure, but I think the expansion can pull through to be an okay one.
Unfortunately I think the launch has a bad taste in all of our mouths and we'll remember it for the rest of the xpac.