Exactly. That is why I believe this “alt” problem is all completely manufactured in their heads. They are in some kind of imaginary competition.
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Who says alts have to get geared up and ready to do content on a level with your main? For me (I know, I know), most of the fun is in simply getting them up to max level.
P.S. I have just 7 toons to go for Stay Classy, and of those 7, 1 is at 115 and another is at 114. Eighth guild bank tab, here I come!
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nah. disagree. I have had alts that were as geared as my mains and it’s still an alt. What makes my main is the class I’m the most proficient with and likely has thse most time played. It’s not my main just because it’s the most equipped toon I have.
Since wrath, I have had alts that have been nearly as geared as my mains. The issue now, is keep alts relevant is harder than ever before, even for gear.
Here is why alts are hard now and it’s a lot of stuff that has been introduced in the last two expansions.
- Titan and warforging - this has made timeplayed on a toon much more valuable. in the off chance a world quest or even a normal raid fight titanforges, it can make a dramatic difference in gear. Whatever toon rolls the dice the most, likely will be the most gear. Gearing alts used to mean simply running through a raid. But now, if the gear doesn’t forged, it could be useless.
- Essences - Because of the time gated nature of how most of these works, you can’t simply catch up over the weekend and put in time. You have to log on every toon and do dailes potentially just to have a relevant alt.
- Azerite - If you could get enough Azerite from doing primary activities like arena, raid, etc., this would be less of an issue.
- Azerite Armor - Because there is no clear path to get Azerite armor outside of doing raids or buying what you need, it can take months to earn a single piece that is BIS.
- Crafted Gear - The complete lack of quality crafted gear means you’re stuck farming the second a toon hits max level. There was a time you could craft meaningful gear for an alt.
- Vendors - The complete lack of useful vendors means every time you buy a piece of gear you are again rolling the dice outside a couple exceptions.
- and… RNG - RNG can be a fun and interesting part of an RPG. but RNG now has been incorporated into every aspect of the game. Whether it’s your mythic chest, or just trying to get from doing Arena. RNG has become a frustrating part of the game rather then a fun one.
I could keep adding to this, but all in all, there is a lot of reasons why alts suck now.
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Which class is that? I am enjoying my BM hunter and ret pally more then ever. I switched my mage from arcane to fire and I am loving it. My druid is resto and that feels about the same as the last few xpacs.
BS. So much bs in that comment.
You know what I did to keep a relevant alt in Wrath? I did 1 or 2 raids. That’s it. No farming. No rep. No azerite. No long quests chains. The alt run was it. That was it. Now it’s essecences. It’s Azerite gear that might come from who knows where.
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nope. you would still be missing essences. correct azerite talents. azerite.
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Then you spent a ton of time on those “alts”. Far more then you are claiming you have to now.
Which is irrelevant for alts. You alt getting a WF/TF only helps them, but is hardly needed.
What xpac allowed you to “catch up over a weekend”? You get your cloak or ring caught up in a weekend? You get fully geared out of a single raid lock out? Essences rank 1 are just given out. Essence rank 2 are super easy to get. Rank 3 and 4 are where the time is, but those are not these must have upgrades.
Instead you have to spend a couple minutes doing a few WQ or the mission board?
Lol complaining about BiS now for alts or even taking a couple months for BiS for a main?
BoA gear that can be mailed to alts of of a vender for a price that allows you to buy 5-6 piece per day. How is that suddenly different from doing raids and hoping a piece drops and that you get it? Then being locked out of getting it for a week. Seems like you are looking for stuff to complain about.
How is this an alt issue. Sounds like you are just wanting to complain.
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Lol you did not get an alt geared out in 1-2 raids unless you were carried and fed gear. You can still be fed gear from raids and each raid has specific azurite pieces that drop from bosses.
Edit: As far as “who knows” everyone who looks up what gear drops from what boss in the raid journal.
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I have yet to farm azerite. It just kind of spills in as I do other things.
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As someone who only really got into maintaining multiple alts (nearly secondary mains) in legion, BFA has been quite easy to gear them up. Got my spriest to 120 over the weekend and now it’s closing in on 400 ilvl and 50 neck. Hasn’t even been a week yet.
It has quite literally never been easier to maintain multiple, geared alts.
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Don’t bad mouth WoD like that.
I find it hilarious the disconnect depending on what content you do.
People who push M+ keys and raid: extremely alt unfriendly.
People who never step foot in raids or m+: guys it’s all in your heads, you just want multiple mains, I don’t even worry about azerite, just get some benthic and you’re fine! etc.
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Hey, that’s not fair. I raid to get the meta mounts … then never step foot in that raid again 
Because if you are looking to push M+ and raids with multiple characters then you are not talking about alts. You are also weren’t suddenly able to do raids with fresh 80’s in Wrath either. Multiple mains required a lot of work in every xpac.
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Umm… are you sure about that?
In Wrath we ran split raids. My warrior was my main, my DK was my alt. Both got about equally geared, my DK was maybe a half-step behind. The first raid was rough, sure, but gear came quickly. I also had a Druid that ended up pretty well geared - I originally leveled them to pick herbs with swift flight form!
Come Legion 7.3.5 and it was clear that DK’s were overpowered and Warriors were on the downturn. The pre-patch notes confirmed it so I switched mains and left my Warrior behind after 6-7 years playing her (with a nice big break after Cata).
Partway through BfA my guild really needs that magic debuff, and hey, I have a DH alt. I start doing more than 1 mythic plus a week on them, and start gearing them. Around the time 8.2 drops my DH finally catches my DK in neck level (both were 50) but is still behind on reps. Oh well. I continue doing dailies on my DK for paragon caches.
Now in 8.2, the thought of picking up my DK again and keeping parity with my DH… nah. I’m not a “hardcore raider” anymore, I don’t have time for what is being asked of me: Rustbolt and Nazjatar reps and dailies to collect alternate currencies. I could get rank 1 of some of them - grinding out the laser beam to rank 3 is particularly trivial because it’s three weeks of M+10 completions. Problem is, it’s a blood DK, so the laser doesn’t work, crucible is at rank 1, and any other tanky essences are behind grinds.
So, my DK stays logged off. Don’t even bother to do paragon caches anymore. I would have no problem grinding AP for neck levels and the secondary essence slot at 55, except I have basically nothing to put in it.
That’s why account-wide essences are needed. I have four or five alts that are in the 400 ilvls that I literally don’t log in except the druid who herbs and mine - because the others lack essences and I just don’t have it in me to go get Rustbolt to exalted again. Or even Revered. This approach is making me play less, not more, and if i’m not the only one, it really should alarm some folks.
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That is not an alt. That is you full on raiding with two characters. Not sure how this is an issue to understand.
Yes YOU changed not the game. You were getting geared on multiple toons via raiding which was you were most likely spending a lot of time on it. Also what is the “grind” for rank 2 on what you are after?
Edit: Also I hope you see the difference between continuously playing multiple characters including raiding with them vs. putting one down and coming back later. I mean MoP you had to have your cloak, WoD you had to have your ring, Legion you had to have your artifacts, BfA you have to have your neck. MoP and WoD both had their legendaries locked behind time gated grinds. BfA allows alts to get to be solo heroic raid ready in a couple weeks of playing. How is that not alt friendly?
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Yeah, in wrath it was only gear. Now there is still gear. Literally nobody is complaining about that. But that’s the easy part. Now in addition you have azerite you need to grind and essences you need. And that means doing unfun tedious chores every day and every week. Grind reps to exalted on multiple characters. None of that existed especially not in wotlk.
Also you don’t get to dictate what is a main vs an alt. Just because people have alts with better gear than your main doesn’t mean it’s not still an alt. It means you don’t do much end game content and are projecting your idea of an alt on everyone else.
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Yes but if you are trying to claim it wasn’t time consuming to get geared in wrath. You didn’t just pop into ICC as a fresh 80 and walk out geared 2 hours later. If you had a guild feeding your raid gear then that is by far the exception and not really relevant.
Also the neck and essences are far far far more alt friendly then MoP or WoD system. Catch up on AP makes getting a decent neck level trivial. So all you are talking about is essences which again rank 1 and 2 are super easy to get.
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No it doesn’t. legion didn’t either
I have 5 alts max level and gears okay just fine. you’re ult doesn’t need geared to the brim as if its raiding for free.
The difference here is doing dungeons and raids to catch up is (at least to the people complaining) what they LIKE to do. What they WANT to do.
What they don’t want to do is islands on multiple characters. World quests on multiple characters. Nazjatar rep and Mechagon rep on multiple characters. All of these are literally time wasting chores to create an artificial time barrier between you and what you want to be doing. That’s the problem.
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