Geez. It sounds like they are stuck between a rock and hard place 
Like if they do one thing for M+, it terribly skews raid? And if they balance raid, then it kneecaps M+? But then you have the pvp aspect on top of all this?
Sounds like Atonement is too difficult for them to balance? I mean it sounds like too complex of a design to maintain, to me. Again, Iâm not the smartest or the most skilled. But I think a simpler design of how Discipline healed would be easier to balance.
I donât think itâs as hopeless. Itâs just that Blizzard has in the past seemed unwilling to use atonement transfer rates as a way to balance.
The problem being that in raid, most of your healing comes from atonement being on 20 people. Wheras in dungeons it can only go up to 5. Meaning any buff to atonement across the board is just 4x as powerful in raid. Itâs also worth keeping in mind that between those massive 20 person windows, good raiding disc priests are doing smaller windows of 8-10 people, too.
If, say, a talent hard-capped atonement to 5 people but made the transfer 30% better, well thatâs not likely something raiding priests would pick up especially if it competed with Evangelism, but would help with atonement in dungeons. Similarly, you could have a talent like âyour atonement heals more the less targets it is onâ that once youâve hit 5 targets quickly bottoms out. Itâs just that Blizzard seems to not want to do that for some reason.
Sounds like a decent idea. So if base transfer is 50% then with mastery (I have 25%) it makes it 75%. So this talent you propose would make Atonement transfer go up to 105%?
That actually sounds amazing because if I PWR the whole group I could get 4*4160 (total penance with extra bolt talent)*1.05 would be a great boost by itself - thatâs at baseline minimum - no power of the dark side or legendary proc or crits.
Yeah they should probably do that. Of course youâre saying it competes with Evangelism as a talent selection - kinda like Inner Light/Inner Shadow?
i think Jak had a really good idea which would be amp up SoM default value and have it cascade faster. so instead of 12 its 25 baseline (these are all hypothetical values) dropping to about 20% with 5 atonements out but hitting 10% with 6, ect. and i dont think that would push us in raid.
One change I would like to see is Mastery actually giving a damage increase for healers come next expansion like how it works with tanks. It doesnât have to be the same as Versatility, but a Priest shouldnât be punished for stacking Mastery.
I think this fixes a big problem, but the designer in me says that itâs completely inelegant and doesnât make a lot of sense mechanically that something would drop off like that at 6. For a player who was new, itâs just confusing. Iâd rather just a talent that says âyou do more atonement up to 5 targetsâ than that.
Though to be fair, I think Sins is a very inelegant talent as-is and that talent simply does not explain what it does at all, so 
so the exact wording of SoM is âyour damage in increased by up to 12% diminished for each ally affected by your atonement.â they never give actual values of by how much each atonement is worth less so the vagueness of the talent is kind of its strength where this talent could go unnoticed the only reason we know the values is external factors WCP/ FW.
Maybe they could make a similar version of Anduin Inner light (Heal target of X every 3sec)
Is the community opposed to completely redoing Discipline priest if it becomes too tiresome to balance for the devs?
Better than I lol
âKettle blackâ lol
Troll still trolling I see.
Hopefully they release the updated Discipline tree to include a version of Divine Aegis because they did a version of it for Resto Shamans.
I see someone crawled out of the sewers in search of scrapes again. You really are some parasite that needs to cling on to anything it can or risk dying because you canât function on your own.
I like your idea of PoH casting renew on members its cast on, but since holy is already so passive in healing, I think it would be better if PoH had a chance to reset the CD of PoM and cause it to bounce instantly instead. It would incentivize casting PoH and make the rotation much more fun! Plus seeing PoM bounce all over the place is one of the best feelings you could have as a holy priest. Iâll never forget Divine Insight and the 4pc tier back in WoD where it added 4 extra charges to PoM and when Divine Insight procced it just felt soooooo good.
Says the garbo that canât go a day without getting into a argument on a game forums.
You remain as inept and lesser as ever and continue to prove so. Publicly.
Yea see those are good ideas.
I agree, interactions like those sounds fun.
Sadly I am not that creative when it comes to Holy and Disc as those are not specs I fully understanding at a deep level and have a lot of experience with.
But yea I like your ideas from a fun perspective.
And so original.
Dude, are you that obsessed with me that you feel the need to introduce nothing just so you can engage with me?
I donât swing that way my guy. Iâm not interested. This is me rejecting you, now go stalk someone else.
Honestly, Disc just needs to revert back to MoP style atonement WITHOUT divine aegis. Itâs divine aegis that allowed disc to barrier the raid before any damage could even come out and made the spec beyond OP.
And if they did revert disc back to that iteration, they could have it so our damage spells heal a single injured target nearby for 100% of the damage done. I personally find shadowmend spamming completely boring when the damage is too tough on the tank. Just make it so atonement heals for much more when itâs healing just one person. And then, if we want to apply atonement to multiple targets itâll diminish the healing by 10% per target, down to 50%.
Itâs the lack of reading comprehension and projection of rejection for me. Lol
Your problems are your own.
Iâve already contributed to this post, but since Iâm the friendly neighborhood troll stomper had to stomp the roach that continues to show itâs head. Away with you insect.
You have no idea how backwards you sound right now.
If you had any inclination as to what I have provided vs you, you would be mentally deranged to think anything I have ever said can be construed as some type of Troll type post. You really must live in your own tiny little world.
Iâm done with you, you have nothing to contribute, so bring up something of substance or end your stalking attempt, itâs not looking good for you.
As backwards as your brain.
You continue to prove time and time how a trolls drivel knows no bounds.
Perhaps you should project less and learn more eh? Maybe then you would win 1 of the 100 needless arguments you pathetically fall into on a daily basis.