Careful, you’ll draw the ire of Daketh, Emmery, and Capslock.
I feel like losing Boon of the Ascended and Fae Guardians is kind of a loss for Holy though.
I was looking at the Prot Paly tree and they got to keep Divine Toll (Kyrian ability) which is their big M+ AOE ability. It’s an AOE silence on-top of being a mega threat generating ability. Ontop of that they even got a talent branched off that let you choose between the Primeforge -15s cd reduction or having the same bonus as the Kyrian legendary.
Fae Guardians let you knock down your Divine Hymn to a 2 minute cd reset (from 3 min), gave you mana back, and also gave you an additional tank defensive. The ability was clunky to use, but it worked the whole expansion.
Holys entire utility package was built around having fast CDR resets on their healing ability for raid healing.
fae and boon are our biggest loss from shadowlands
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and you are just focusing on disc and raids?
That and removing Flash Concentration.
Right now though they said they’re doing updates on the Priest tree so probably 2-3 weeks from now we might see v2.0.
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Here goes some more feedback for the priest tree, as I feel it’s the core of our problems, why not 
Let’s go
Row 1 → I feel that we could use another skill in here for disc, instead of it having two talents by default. I like that we get an extra talent, but I don’t feel like I’m going to do PoM in every contexts, so I’d rather we should select it when we want it. Maybe pw:shield shouldn’t be baseline to allow for holy/shadow to not go for it since a lot of them seems to not want to?
All talents directly under PoM feels like holy talents though. Maybe disc could use those for raiding, maybe… But since Holy top 2 portions of the tree are empty (24 pts) Maybe moving this back to holy would be good (Maybe more condensed?)
Path to HW:Life →
Cool idea imo, could be interesting for a few contexts I’d try for sure, for shadow as well, maybe in pvp could be cool. Problem is I have to “waste” 8 points to get to it…
Enlightenment Cool for disc, useless as shadow… At least make it so that shadow gets something of of this. It’s 2 points wasted for them.
Holy Nova Remains to be seen that this skill will be good. It has been completely useless for disc this whole expansion except for spotting rogues in pvp… I hope this is tuned up if it stays… Kinda lame that this blocs what’s under it, because, clearly, it’s not something you’d pick in just any content (assuming it gets good).
I feel it’s time that we removed this guy. Maybe put Unholy Nova as a replacement, as holy damage instead (farther down in the tree probably)
Cleric’s Armaments While it could be ok as disc, assuming you go down the charitable soul path, the “while shielded” talents aren’t appealing for the priests as it is. We’d need a lot more ways to have shields pop up, Shadow as Mental fortitude and otherwise we get Charitable soul? Maybe Living Shadow would cast shields as well but that remain to be seen if they cast on the caster or not (Or if they cast at all). Shields come and go really fast, and people don’t even bother to cast them if they are not a disc priest.
Cleric’s Armaments Wasted point if you didn’t pick renew… Which isn’t mandatory from this path.
Unwavering will Seems this was taken out of the Holy tree for some reason. This affect mostly holy toolkit… Wasted talent for shadow who will never use smite. And disc benefits less from this, but fair enough, we do more smiting…
This whole section could disappear and I wouldn’t care so much tbh… At least make it possible for shadow to go there if they want a big heal CD without having to waste so much talents…
Middle of the tree excluding bottom section →
Improved smite Cool, but why does shadow gets nothing out of this again? I know shadow now has Smite in his arsenal, but clearly they won’t be using it. There isn’t any insentive in their toolkit to do so… Make this talent so they have some benefit, like improving Mind Flay
Clear mind Maybe combine this with shadow talent Hallucination, so that shadow benefit from selecting this?
Mind restrain This will certainly be too strong in the hands of a shadow priest. Might need to be move to disc tree tbh…
Mind control Not on players? 
Crystaline Reflexion and it’s branch → Seriously, there is not a single reason to pick this as anything but disc. Even disc priests don’t often go this way because the reflected damage doesn’t do atonement. Not that it necessarily should. I feel this should be in the disc tree unless more talents here are made to make shielding more appealing to other specs. I’m happy to see this come back as disc. It just feels out of place here…
Light’s Inspiration
Big fan of desperate prayers as disc. I find I use it less as holy but still do a bit, I’d rather just heal myself in other ways as holy (at least in SL) so a bit less interesting.
To me, this should become a choice node (in a different layout) and you should have the choice to replace desperate prayer with vampiric embrace as the other choice. Right now Shadow gets desperate prayer (assuming it can be used in shadow form) while they could still talent into vampiric embrace. I feel the 2 cover similar purpose, and healers will usually get much less out of vampiric embrace, so this could be interresting.
Charitable Soul
While this stuff is ok as disc, I do not feel it’s right for the other 2. Even less so in the bottom of the tree. This could become disc starting node if we want to keep pw:shield baseline. Or, put in close to disc starting node.
Mind games branch → Very cool that mindgames comes back. Love this guy in pvp and as disc it’s always a wonderful tool.
Tithe Evasion Really underwhelming at this spot in the tree… 2 pts for 20% less damage is a lot. I mean, I love that sw:death hits us back, it’s a cool class fantasy and is useful sometimes in pvp to break cc. But this talent should remove a lot more of the damage if it stays at 2 points in this spot on the tree.
Twist of faith branch →
Twist of faith A bit weird that it becomes only healing for shadow. But I guess it could be good as shadow heals itself. Although I fear it could make shadow priests hurt themsleves more to allow for proccing this guy… Even with VE being castable on others, I don’t feel that the shadow tree empowers shadow priest to benefit from twist of fate all that much…
Shadowflame Prism Pretty cool that priest healers gets to have this one. I know shadow priest aren’t specifically all that thrilled to see this though. Would be great if it procced atonement.
Otherwise shadow is kinda force in this path. Most specs are going to be “forced” in paths depending on content, but SFP comes with the additional use of sw:death, and shadow priest already are quite busy with the rest of their toolkit.
I also feel that it doesn’t synergize with Mental Fortitude (For shadow), assuming it stays in some way. We’re kind of forced to hurt ourselves, maybe requiring to pw:shield in that case (because sanquine teachings). Loosing gcd’s in an already really crowded playstyle, again…
More general thoughs
Shadowform The tooltip of shadowform doesn’t indicate that you are prevented from casting holy spells when using it. Is that an oversight? If not, this means shadow can now cast holy spells while maintaining shadow form, great.
Lack of spells replacing others Spells that traditionally replaced baseline spells don’t seem to be doing so anymore. Preventing interactions in the talent trees. ex: mind flay has been replacing smite, potw replaced sw:pain, shadowmend replaced flash heal. Etc.
I feel that this just creates additional clutter and weird interactions.
Talents that affect smite should affect mind-flay as well. Otherwise, are we expecting shadow to smite? Mind flay is fighting it’s filler spot with smite if shadow can cast light based spells during shadowform…
Having 2 dots as disc is a bit much imo. Although potw tends to be even easier to spread, I’m not a big fan of managing 2 dots while also keeping track of hp, atonement, maybe even renew… feels bad… And potw is such a great dot too.
It’s cool that holy can spec into shadowmend, or disc keeping flash heal, but it should still replace flash heal regardless. Chose the one you want, but only get one at any given time.
I also feel like some other spells could be replacing others. Such as vampiric touch, which I mentioned at the Light’s Inspiration talent, that could be a choice to replace Desperate prayer by VE, or improve desperate prayer.
Maybe something similar could be done with Dispersion and Fade in some way. As we are getting translucent image.
Silence Why are only priests healers not getting this. We’re really becoming the only healers not having the option of an interrupt. Common now…
Covenant abilities
I know some people are sad to lose boon, it was great fun to use in SL but let’s be real, this stuff is too strong… I’d rather we see rises in the rest of our toolkits tbh, priest has been nerfed down to be balanced with boon this whole expansion in terms of damage dealing ability for healers… Let’s make the rest of our toolkit better instead…
Fae guardians would be great to get in some form, maybe split into more than 1 talent if you really want it for a specific purpose and don’t care about all the effects. I’m not too fond of the ability myself but it does feel like lost potential.
unlikely. Hpellipsis has our respect and is entititled to make any comment he damn well wants to and he will be taken seriously. You on the other hand
I understand that, an im not against it. They would need to wack it straight into the holy tree tho, not the priest tree.
If disc doesnt get mind sear back then discs dps might be less in keys so maybe holy wont be far off the mark. That instant holy fire talent looks prety damn good for keys
After reading every post in the priest alpha feedback thread, I fully expect nerfs across the board, PI gone, Searing Nightmare stays, and no changes to the tree.
devs: “oh they like how often they get harsh discipline”
nerfed
devs: “oh they like shadow covenant now?”
nerfed
devs: “oh they want us to keep PI?”
gone
devs: “oh they hate Searing Nightmare?”
stays
challenge mode engaged
I honestly wouldn’t mind something new entirely to replace the missing cov abilities as long as it’s well designed
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Do this bit by bit
i like PoM and i will use it especially now its instant. especially in keys or on the move. Renew is something else im considering, buffed with atonement mastery. Not in raid tho but a hot on the move isnt a bad thing
10% insanity regn?
agreed
I like this
mm nothing but holy and disc do so im fine with it.
Even then my bro. Needs to be gotten rid of i think and something there to make shadow interested
I think this will get changed shortly to be usefl for shadow
Would love dispersion in the priest tree.
As i said straight into the holy tree. No place in the priest tree for it i think
Good post bro
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Why dude lol!!!
Mind restraint is the only exciting thing right now for sp. Well imo at least. Its sooooooooo good
Fae Guardians worked for Shadow as well. It reduces your Void Form cd.
I feel it was great all around. Just that disc was balanced around venthyr and kyrian and the rest of the toolkit made fae guardians underwhelming pve-wise. On the pvp side of things, it was great.
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Fae might be useless to disc if we dont take rapture in raids tho. I mean in keys its fkinda usefel tho with the other mana tools will give disc a truck load of mana. I just dont think they would give it to disc. I think if they give it its for holy.
I think shadow deserves something chunkier then fae gaurdians
Flash Concentration (or some kind of replacement) 100% needs to come back into the H Priest tree though. Unless they plan on giga buffing Prayer of Healing and/or Priests baseline healing on Flash Heal & Heal… H Priests are going to see a massive single target healing drop off. It’d be like jumping into the Mage Tower again and going from the best to worst single target healing class.
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Yeah sure, I feel shadow already is busy enough, I played with it a bit a shadow in s2 and while I liked it, it didn’t feel so great to use in itslef.
I play with a lot of casuals, and I might add that this one is super hard to use for beginner players. I’ve seen a few priests picking this as it was the best pick in s1 or s2 and never really using it, or not properly using it… So it could come back, sur, but maybe in as simpler way, split in more than 1 talents. dunno.
Replacement yes. but its boring playstyle tho. I havent looked closely but werent they putting effort into renew? I still think holy needs that talent back that refreshes renew with serinity, flash heal heal and binding heal. Was engaging play
Im not shadow player but i dpsed a couple of 20’s this season and i really didnt like the insanity starvation on searing nightmare and having to click xtra buttons during it.
They put some effort into Renew, but not really enough to prop it up. The biggest issue with Renew is it doesn’t scale off of Mastery. Also, your single target heals with 5 stacks of Flash Concentration was much more potent than a single Renew cast.
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What I honestly hope is that they realized how clunky Boon is when it comes to playstyle. It’s just not a fun button to hit and feels disruptive no matter your spec.
What is your problem?
Ellipsis is right. Disc’s spells don’t do a lot of damage baseline. I don’t think the reason why is Boon, it has more to do with SL raid testing showing Disc at an insane HPS that moved Blizzard to nerf their damage across the board rather than fix SS. And Blizz not really balancing towards M+ making them keep it that way since in raid Disc is still doing more damage than other healers.
I think more than anything, the combination of Renewed faith, Benediction at low cost, Unwavering Will and an insane amount of holy word CDR (LoTN, Apoth and Oration at the same time) is what is trying to make up for FC being gone in smaller content. It’s not as strong as FC, but few things in the game are, and it SHOULD make them fairly decent M+ healers. Boon’s damage is the bigger loss.
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I think if disc dont get mind sear then our aoe sill suffer. I think we will be relying on PtW spread, divine star, buffed smite and SFP for our dps. I dont feel holy will be so far behind us
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