Please consider adding some additional effects to Void Torrent and Damnation to make them feel more impactful as tier 3 spells.
Void torrent could generate 3 coalescing shadows.
Damnation could generate 1 surge of darkness on its own, and 3 with 2/2 Malediction.
Iām no expert but my assumption is that they think (and I assume they are correct) that an interrupt in PvP is way more powerful than the constant mind control effect from Dominate Mind.
Also, even from a PvE perspective, having been running around in Zereth Mortis mcāing the most powerful elites I could find, their damage is really low, usually less than 1% of my damage. Now, that may be completely unrepresentative of the kind of damage Dominate Mind will bring for us in actual end game dungeons in Dragonflight, butā¦it might turn out to suck. I might be exposing myself as a pessimist, but Iām going to guess itās not going to be amazing. Have you tested it much or found some mobs that do good damage with it?
As an aside, I really DONāT want to be a pet class, especially one that has to re-dominate my pet every 30 seconds. Sounds exhausting doing that for an entire X-pac, you know?
EDIT: My vote (for what itās worth): Please return Dominate Mind to 2 min cd.
Could we have Vault of Heavens and life grip on the same cool down but can pick which we would want to use in the moment. This would make for an interesting choice to pull someone out of danger but then could not use for personal mobility etc. The cool down would be similar to other classes instant mobility (blink, chi torpedo/roll, wild charge etc) ideally
would like to see hungering void returnā¦
This either has to be baked into Voidform or remain removed.
If you think about it, it would be pointless to put Hungering Void anywhere in the tree as you can now avoid taking Voidform altogether. Because if this, it will feel extremely out of place just like how how Void Touched was in the 1st tree as it would do absolutely ZERO if you did not pick up Void Eruption (Voidform).
So then the question becomes, what makes Hungering Void so good that justifies it being baked in as it really cant exist in the talent tree as its own separate talent.
Hungering Void had 2 functions, it increased damage and it extended Voidform. Well now you get the Extension of Voidform from using Insanity. The last bit of increasing damage may just be a number value that is instead just smoothed out and baked into the overall damage of being in Voidform OR the rest of the talents.
So then you have to askā¦ what part of part of Hungering Void is left that you really need to be apart of Voidform? I would argue that the āmechanicā is already incorporated into Voidform. The ādamageā is not a compelling reason imo.
- Hungering Void
Void Bolt causes the target to become vulnerable to the void, increasing their damage taken from you by 10% for 6 sec. This effect may only be active on one target at a time.
Casting Void Bolt on an enemy that is already vulnerable extends the duration of your Voidform by 1 sec, or 2 sec if Void Bolt critically strikes.
Please remove ancient madness. This effect could be built in to dark Ascension and itās damage bonus could be reduced to compensate. We donāt need 2 extra talents to make a cooldown stronger.
Actually yeah, that is the way Iām wired. The live game is already very fast-paced even outside of lust. Now theyāre throwing in PI on ourselves when we PI others on a 2 min CD and they were proposing other random PI procs just for hitting PoM on CD like we have to do anyway.
That starts to make me awfully twitchy about the risk of going OOM. But Iām just thinking from a raid perspective, Iām not sure I want that much haste so often.
I respect the effort but Iād hate that tree too.
And now imagine, just thinking at the top of my head, what if dual SPriest became a thing? With mindbender (pprobably), dark ascension and twins, it could be a very easy way to have a PI every minute for a the buff. Or even 40 sec voidform PI;;;
Oh no, not 2 shadow priests with no escapes, laughable movement and interruptable dps cooldowns and no way to reliably heal themselves outside of VE/Desperate prayer ?! Iām quaking already.
Iāll eat my shoes if 2 spriests becomes a thing.
Anything specific as to why?
Things missing? /not included? Or do you see things you donāt want?
I would not mind at all trading PI with another spriest, as the same went down with ice mage and Focus Magic. Itād be awesome for raiding. Spriest reliable heal themselves with VT and DP, Desperate prayer is becoming a good thing almost 1min and paired with fade is pretty solid, and VE or hlash hel/shadowmend is pretty spamable to surviveā¦ If anything, I had way more trouble leveling or doing solo content in Morthis or Korthia as a mage/DK/druid than with a priestā¦
Blood dk solos everything in zereth and korthia. Now youāre just trolling.
No raid is bringing 2 spriests lol. I thought you were talking arenas.
Thereās no more shadow mend. Flash heal (lost the HoT and spellpower bonus of shadowmend) makes you go OOM before you can heal 50% of your pool.
So you think spending 4 GCDs for survival is a good deal? Desperate prayer into VE into PW:S into flash heal / fade ??(assuming dispersion is on cd)
Trading PI would not be optimal considering you would have no cooldowns to use on the second PI, except maybe DA if that turns out optimal.
It does not for healers in Heroics, at least. Maybe for Shadow it does, but doing heroics in the beta, some of these mobs will do massive damage (like upwards of 30% my overall). I do agree that re-MCing every 30s is a bit of a chore. But itās not necessary, really. The vast majority of the time Iām just setting the most dangerous mob I see as a focus target and hitting a macro when the cooldown is up. Sometimes I donāt re-MC and let it die to grab a new more dangerous mob I can MC, etc.
Well, I meant as a DPS, and in my experience.
I donāt know, it can be a thing, besides, casual raiders donāt mind composition as much as RWF and RWF enthusiasts.
Just prayer and fade are a good amount for a single hit sustain, for sustained damage we can use VE if needed, but VT and DP covers a good bit, and the usual PW shield when running for body and soul.
Thtas what I meant. Apparently you can, with only 1 pi, keep voidform about 40 seconds in single target, then you can probably keep for a minute with 2 PIs, and DA now is 1min, as mindbender, so youād have a CD every minute to use 1 min PIā¦
So 1min PI DA, or 2 PI inside voidform, both can become a thing in my vision
I donāt see a world where thatās more DPS than just using pi on another more suited DPS.
If blizzard donāt decide to downtune shadows damage because of twins youāll fit as many shadow priests as your comp allows.
So how many spare raid slots do you have that you want to double down on spriests instead of getting a healer priest? lol. This is a very niche example. And healer priests have better targets than us for PI cooldown.
Prayer is good for a one hit, itās not sustain, and 10% DR for 5 seconds every 20 seconds, sure, great sustainā¦VE is good sustain for a bigger window, hopefully it doesnāt happen again in 3 minutes. VT/DP just means your healer can ignore you for raid wide dmg healing most of the time, so sustain there sure.
I guess, if you donāt have any warlocks or mages in your raid, good luck.
Prayer is a 20% Dr. Itās functionally identical to barkskin for pve.
Shadows defensives arenāt really that bad, if anything the issue in m+ is how spectacularly bad Vers is that you canāt run any of it in your gear compared to other DPS.
In raids itās fine, itās just not warlock.
where is the DR on prayer?? did I miss a patch note?
No, but thatās what it does. You increase your max hp by 25%, which is equivalent to reducing the damage you take by 20%
The reason you can think of it like this is the health gained from prayer is not taken away at the end of the buff, unlike rallying cry.
Obviously itās worse in the face of mortal strike effects, and the heal gets eaten up by healing absorbs, but most of the time yeah itās just a 20% Dr for all intents and purposes.