What part of old SP? There are so many versionssssssss.
yeah thats what’ve said too.
that 1.5 seconds on dark ascensions, GOOD LUCK. I rather go void form and get an instant cast lol.
I do like Dark ascension’s wings tho
Hopefully we can take neither and have a functional spec with high sustained damage and mini burst via dp and procs.
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Man right now, im mind is on that Shadoworb lol. Everything else is on pasue for me as i wait. I want it so bad to affect DP :[
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Another Concern. Looks like a lot of classes are going to still blow up others fast. I hope our SP iteration will keep up with this and not take too long to build up power.
The mind spike build seems to not stack those procs too fast. When i saw Anboniwow try it, the max he got the Surge of Darkness to stack on a dummy was 2 with 3 dummies fully doted. He ended up casting MindSpike one more time to get 3 stacks. Didn’t feel too good and looked clunky. A bit concerned here lol.
Just to make sure everyone is on the same page here…
The “current” iteration of Shadows Talent tree needs work.
- Dark Ascension needs to be instant cast (As it was in Cata)
- Dark Ascension needs to include Mind Flay (As it was in Cata)
- Pathing needs to be improved
- Placement needs to be improved
- Void Eruption needs to be a choice with Dark Ascension
And a lot, lot more stuff needs to be iterated on and cleaned up.
However, the talk/concerns I am hearing seems to be coming from a perspective that all those changes I just listed (and more) wont happen… like it seems what you all see right now is how it will go live. So I don’t know why there is so much doom and gloom with the 1st iteration that quite Frankly was rushed (still have NYI talents).
So I just wanted to make sure everyone DOES instead understand that there will be further changes and improvements and just because things are in the middle of a change from what they were prior, does not mean we need to stop the show and rewind because its not working… of course its not working, half the stuff is either not implemented or broken or just not working at all.
The talent tree still needs to cook a bit more in the oven as clearly its not ready… but its a start to get the ball rolling.
Not sure what else I can say to get that point across. Give it a little more time and iteration so we can see it more dialed in before acting like its currently broken and clunky (which it is) but that it is going to stay that way (its not).
Wow. So much spam for shadow. I wonder who feeds all these arguments. 
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Ya, they really gutted this spell in shadowlands. Most of our buttons don’t feel good to press or have a wow factor.
Mindflay-meh
Mindblast-meh
Swd-meh
Pain & vt-meh
Dp-meh
Voidtorrent-good dmg looks cool
Void eruption- dmg numbers pop up and cool visual
Other examples of stuff that’s fun to press chaos bolt. Ele when you proc and shoot meatballs at the entire team.
It seems with more dmg being shifted to mindblast and mind spike, vt,swp,dp will just be background noise. Which from a pvp main I’m happy as dots have been watered down over several expansions and just does tickle dmg.having big consistent burst to keep up with other classes is welcomed.
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Power Word: Shield Idea…
Location:
Class tree below Renew?
Function:
Casting Power Word Shield on a target grants the target with Renew at 50% duration.
OR
Casting Power Word Shield on a target extends the duration of Renew on that target by 3/6 sec if the target has Renew.
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Sounds like you went healer mode after I called for shadow spam…
Honnestly. Pw:s is a lot more mana than renew so I don’t feel any of those ideas is really worth a talent. You can basically just refresh renew. Disc is going to want to re-apply for atonement anyway. And holy will likely get free renews off of PoM.
You can keep focussing on shadow since this is your area of expertise. I wasn’t saying that you (or anyone else) should stop with shadow. It’s just that I left for a couple days and returned to a gazillion posts only on shadow 
Comon disc/holy players!! 
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Well Blizz implemented the idea of applying Renew with Prayer of Healing… similar to my suggestion a lot further up this thread… which I then incorporated into my Holy Tree suggestions post elsewhere.
So regardless what you say, obviously some of my suggestions make it into the the game. So no, I am not going to stop giving suggestions that I think would be neat to have. I have seen multiple versions of my ideas make it into the new builds so… whatever man.
My only input into holy or disc as someone who occasional heals for faster queues or to help a raid is that atonement should not be the root node of discs tree. It has some of the same issues as voidform does. It would be nice to remove the burden of the damage malus attached to atonement when atonement is not needed for raid healing. Move it to the final tier of the tree.
Difficult to hop in when the thread is mostly shadow arguments, sadly.
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We should make three heat threads, one per spec maybe?
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Three is not enough. We have three going for shadow alone.
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i mean if we just keep it like beta forums. No arguments just pure feedback and concerns lol.
That way everyone’s Voice is heard and no one has to repeat themselves.
Then have one separate one for all arguments haha.
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Atonement is absolutely necessary for both raid and M+ healing. It’s going to be shifted off a bit as we’ll be getting some renew healing too, but the vast majority of Disc’s healing is going to be atonement still, even with the new talents. I mean there’s the spirit shell/evangelism build, but that’s still atonement.
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The class tree is already kinda bloated for disc/holy. There are pathing issues that forces you into nodes you might not want for the content that you’re doing and a few nodes that aren’t good enough for either spec.
For shadow, it’s really nice as you go straight down into mostly interresting stuff and then have choice of tons of utility to chose from once you’re done with the few throughput nodes that are really needed.
Wasting a point for refreshing renew on a ST spell is trash. I’m not sure holy wants to cast pw:s on cd yet, even with the buff it had. You don’t even cast renew manualy as holy because it’s kinda a waste of a gcd to do so… pw:shield is really expansive too. Since it refreshes atonement, you are basically saving 1 global as disc.
Once you’ve taken everything you need as holy/disc, you have like 1-2 points to spare into talents that are way better such a masochism, void tendrils, mind control or imp mass dispel as example…
I was advocating on VE for healer a bit earlier in the thread. While it could work for healers if reworked, there is no way that healers have room to pick it right now.
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This is what I am talking about. This is why this is so long.
I simply had an idea, and shared it.
Now… instead of discussing the idea, you are discussing the fact that we don’t need any more ideas because tree room or bloat or w/e.
I dont care what you think about stuff like that. Its an idea that MAYBE sparks an idea from someone else… or from blizzard.
I am sharing my idea instead of just letting it sit in my head. If something comes from it, cool. If not, cool. Its not that big of a deal. You guys are quick to complain after useless posts, this post you just made now (2 of them in this response) are useless and provide nothing. Stop complaining about thread size when you are the ones causing it over nothing.
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I’m discussing the idea, said it’s bad in my opinion. Maybe it does spark something from someone else though so you’re right on that front, sorry for being rude up there 
I mean, you’ve clearly made good contributions in discussions for shadow, I just wish your ideas would trigger as much noise for healers as it does for shadow is really all this is about. I’m not one that complained about thread size btw, just saying that there is a lot more noise for shadow than the healers, which might be ok since shadow still feels a bit undercooked compared to the 2 healers (on the spec trees side of things.)
I’ll make a real feedback post shortly for healers, didn’t have much time to do so since the new trees were released.
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