As am I, and LW is not going to be on the list of trade skills.
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I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m simply saying that folks can roll whatever they want when it comes to professions. Do what you want. If you want to roll LW on your shaman, go ahead. You’ll get your drums and an opportunity to craft some potentially useful armor. If not, that’s all you.
excuse me please revert. our entire guild name for tbc is leather daddies and now it wont make sense. this is rediculous
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Three points made. None clearly explained.
There is no in game store in classic.
You’re getting a collectors edition that no one is forcing you to buy
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I think what some people are pointing out is that LW very quickly becomes obsolete gear wise. Many of the pieces have equivalent or better alternatives even in T4 content. At that point the only reason to have LW is for the drums. The other 4 people in your party want the benefit of drums while also getting the benefit from 2 other professions. The drummer loses the benefit of a second profession as the drum benefit is shared. This is also worse if you have 2 people with LW in a group. The 2nd LW is just loses a profession completely.
I think they should increase the power of the effect for the drummer and other LW or increase the duration. This would put LW on par with the other personal bonuses of the other professions. Like increase the haste rating to 120 for LWs in the party while everyone else still only gets 80. The value can be adjusted to match the overall 1-3% benefit provided by the other professions.
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It just seems weird to not see how this is a net benefit for the run and argue that the person taking drums is being unfairly punished in comparison to other people.
The reward is a cleaner raid as well as a variety of other useful drums that I believe are nearly 50 charges each?
Don’t get me wrong. I LOVE that blizzard is wiping away the sweat and trying to make LW something that you choose and not something that is a must. I’m just pointing out that the current approach makes it great for the raid to have a few LWs available but crappy for those people who end up being the drummer. They are losing the benefits of some other profession while everyone else does not. Balance could be restored by simply making it worthwhile for the LW too. Everyone gets what they want.
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I mean, being able to control when the drums kick in, having access to the movement speed drums as well as the healing drums also offers a lot of things to the individual as well.
Offers BIS gear for a few classes as well. Most upgrades diminish in later phases while leatherworking is always relevant.
Seems like a wonky comparison i guess. We wont have a problem with enough people seeing the value in leatherworking that no one will be pressured.
It also offers a greater chance at getting a raid spot.
I like pie so here’s a pie analogy. The LW brings pie for the group. The rest of the group brings some whipped cream for themselves so they get both. I’m suggesting that the LW gets a little bit more pie than everyone else. They get more pie but the others get less pie plus whipped cream. We all eat and are happy.
They got invited to the party when someone who doesnt have pie didnt get invited. They also have the option of enjoying pie whenever they want since they are the ones who make it.
I am going to be leatherworking, but it seems pretty petty to argue that it is by far the most powerful buff but since everyone benefits equally it is unfair.
Then again there are people who argue it is unfair that earth shield doesnt count as their healing for meters whereas I am just happy to kill the boss and do the content efficiently. I suppose if you see your guild mates as competition rather than allies it would be unfair.
No, I’m not worried about my raid spot being determined by whether or not I have LW. That doesn’t mean that I am content to simply be a drum bot for the party either. You can want your group to succeed and want to perform well personally. I don’t see how these things are mutually exclusive concepts.
Not everyone benefits the same. The bonuses provided by the other profession are multiplicative with benefits of the drums. The drummer gets 1.25% haste every 2 minutes. Lets say the enchanter gets 1.5% bonus worth every 2 minutes. The drummer gets the flat 1.25% haste while the enchanter actually get 1.25 * 1.5 = 2.76%. That’s a pretty large difference in overall effectiveness of being the drummer vs being the non drummer.
All I’m saying is that a minor change would even this out and remove the disparity. If it doesn’t happen cool. It’s not the end of the world of warcraft. It doesn’t hurt to point this out in hopes it gets better.
Edited to remove unnecessary snark. Sorry bout that.
LW still has advantages over other professions
It helps garentee your raid spot
It puts you more in control of your burst window letting you line it up more with a procs or other CDs better.
People complain about losing 1-3% dps compared to others, but you have a stronger chance for a raid spot because your a LW. And being a LW is also very valuable in heroics to get a spot with 5 man’s because if your looking to get into a heroic, saying “dps looking for heroic, have drums” makes you more valued for the heroic than a dps of the same class that doesn’t have drums.
It also has pvp benefits outside of arenas with the different types of drums. The speed drums are great for WSG flag carrier.
So dont be a drums carrier. Someone more selfless can do it. Problems solved.
I am sure that more than enough people in a raid will see the value of leatherworking to do it.
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Oh c’mon. Its true that the playerbase just wants things more and more accessible no? To be able to play the way they want to and not for the game itself. I think it’s pretty clear that in general the playerbase doesn’t care what authentic overall tbc or vanilla was.
The drummer also gets reduced benefits due to the 1 sec cast. It’s less than 2% haste for them. The missed autos might even make it a dps loss.
Times have changed. Classic players are practically allergic to anything tedious or time consuming. And god forbid they play the game as it was originally. Instead they want to customize to their own selfish ways - to play the way they want to. And not the game itself.
Is that not true? And if not, what bit? People flipped out about leatherworking and drums. Why? Because they wanted to be able to do what they wanted to do, not what the game/community may have demanded.
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no, they’ll try to peer pressure the “leather” and mail users to do it. Honestly this change made the whole thing more toxic, but all of vitriol is directed at us.
Remember you don’t just need 5 lw, you need 1 in each group. If you have 3 bm hunters in the same group with lw, that’s still just 1/5.
Then find another guild or say no. When I looked for a guild I specifically said I was world buff optional as a requirement. Passed over quite a few and I was okay with that. I am going leather for my shaman because I want to, I like the support role. I am just glad that I feel like I have a choice now.
TBC beta keys only $400 on ebay good job blizzard.