Best Class to Counter a Paladin?

Plunder-tichondrius · May 7, 2019, 12:27pm

Check out my talents and traits Oozo.

Oozo-shandris · May 7, 2019, 12:44pm

Less than ideal for fighting a ret paladin, sure. Asphyxiate alone would be huge. But, I don’t build for just fighting a specific class.

And, I’m assuming the fight starts toe to toe not at max range. If the paladin uses ds offensively, not much the DK can do other than use lightfoot potion. AMS doesn’t hold up well to paladin offensive cds.

Nomak-spirestone · May 7, 2019, 12:55pm

I don’t want to come off the wrong way, and I’m truly trying to help. My DK’s build isn’t what I take to be a paladin killer. The talents I use are more of a general pvp use. If I were in an arena, I might make some slight changes based on the other team’s comp. But overall, the build I use is more or less the go-to build.

For example, you don’t have Necrotic Strike, which is absolutely a must have for UHDK. The talents I take help build wounds, so I can stack necrotic. Considering how pretty much everyone has some type of healing, necrotic spam is essential. Asphyxiate is also a must have for pvp. Wraith Walk is a PVE talent. Death Pact or Spell Eater are both better choices for pvp.

Play whatever is the most fun to you, but it sounds like you’re struggling against pallys. I don’t struggle with them, hence me offering a few suggestions. Take a look at this site. You may find it helpful.

https://thelootdistrict.com/pvphub/death-knight/unholy/

Oozo-shandris · May 7, 2019, 1:17pm

For dueling and arena, sure. But, that isn’t what I’m doing and paladins would be less of an issue if they did reduced damage with divine shield up as it should be.

Nomak-spirestone · May 7, 2019, 1:28pm

Just trying to help Oozo. It sounds like you’re having trouble, but you’re not open to suggestions. Maybe try my suggestions and join Percival & Heretic’s community to practice against pallys? I think if you ask the DK forums for feedback about your current talents/traits, and explained what type of pvp you want to do, you would get a lot of advice similar to mine. If you’re struggling against pallys, and you don’t make any adjustments, you will continue to struggle. My DK doesn’t struggle, which is why I wanted to help you. Hoping for paladin class nerfs isn’t the ideal plan.

Oozo-shandris · May 7, 2019, 1:32pm

Popping offensives and doing full damage while immune to counterpressure and CC is kind of dumb, sorry. And because I believe that to be the case you think I’m “struggling” because of my build.

Nomak-spirestone · May 7, 2019, 1:37pm

If I’m not struggling with pallys on my DK, what would you say is the reason then? I assure you, they all pop wings and bubble at some point, but I rarely end up doing the corpse run. What is the difference in our respective outcomes then?

Oozo-shandris · May 7, 2019, 1:41pm

You seem to be assuming that I just lose to every paladin that I fight and assuming that every paladin that you fight is both geared and good at the class.

Nomak-spirestone · May 7, 2019, 1:43pm

I didn’t assume either of those things, truly. You seemed like you needed help. I felt like I was in a position to help you, using my knowledge from playing both classes. Sorry if it came off in another manner.

Grit-velen · May 7, 2019, 1:53pm

Here is a good recent video that gives some great info on fighting Ret. Paladin. It’s intended for Arena and Rogues but gives good tactics that can be used in all situations.

Language Warning

Oozo-shandris · May 7, 2019, 2:03pm

Posting a link to arena builds for doing world pvp is kind of silly, isn’t it? These are the same guys that convinced everyone that windwalker was one of the weakest melee classes in season one when it was actually one of the strongest 1vN classes in the game.

Arena is not open pvp. Builds that work in arena aren’t always the best for world pvp. The DK build is a kiting/1vN build. You don’t understand how it plays, so you think it is bad when it actually very capable of winning 1v2s and 1v3s but the downside is that it isn’t the strongest DUELING build.

Nomak-spirestone · May 7, 2019, 2:08pm

Again, sorry for trying to help you do better on your DK.

Oozo-shandris · May 7, 2019, 2:13pm

Being passive-aggressive isn’t a really good look.

I’m not a FOTM player. I don’t do what other people are doing just because everyone is doing it. I’m playing a build that you don’t understand, because if you did you would know why asphyxiate is a bad choice and also why necrotic strike is an unecessary choice.

I’m not saying the build is the most effective thing for arena or dueling, but it is very effective for open world or random bgs with a big payoff (and lulz) if things are set up correctly.

Nomak-spirestone · May 7, 2019, 2:15pm

I wasn’t being passive-aggressive. I was apologizing for offering apparently unwanted advice. Not sure where we fell off the rails, but sorry for any confusion.

Oozo-shandris · May 7, 2019, 2:18pm

^ That is pretty much the gold standard definition of being passive-aggressive. LOL.

Nomak-spirestone · May 7, 2019, 2:20pm

I can only do so much to clarify my intent. I have never had an issue with you, and was trying to help.

Oozo-shandris · May 7, 2019, 2:24pm

I’ve already conceded that I shouldn’t have made a balance issue call versus paladins if I’m not running the strongest build for fighting them.

But this?

I actually do pretty good given what the build is designed for.

Nomak-spirestone · May 7, 2019, 2:27pm

You omitted the part where I said “trying to help you do better on your DK”. I didn’t say “git gud” or “get better”. All of my feedback has been genuine suggestions and advice. You’re content with your current build, and that’s fine. At no point was I trying to bust your balls though.

Percivall-sargeras · May 7, 2019, 2:32pm

Reading Nomak’s posts. It is clear all he was doing was trying to give you advice. I don’t get a passive aggressive vibe at all.

Torturekilla-dalaran · May 7, 2019, 8:14pm

My MM hunter thinks pallies are tasty And Nomak isn’t a turd, he tries to help.