Benthic gear is too OP for Mythic Raiding

You are what you put out in the world, you insulted my intelligence. and now trying hard to make you look good doesn’t work out,dude.
I explained my position and now I’ll leave it so.

You didn’t explain anything. I didn’t insult your intelligence I questioned your reading comprehension. Maybe English isn’t your first language, maybe you have a learning disability, maybe you are dyslexic but you very clearly asserted that I made a statement that I most definitely never did and then you doubled down on it.

You gave me grief for being off topic so I brought it back to topic and all you could say is “Just because”.

Actually with the way level scaling was rolled out this xpac it does. Even at heroic raid level doing the daily emissary is much longer than it once was.

If they scrap level scaling in world content I could agree with you.

Level scaling is a whole other can of worms.

Blizzard is at the point where they’ve gone too far down one road, have lost some key management and developers and have no idea how to bring it back under control.

Doing an ilvl squish only to have us back to 450 by the end of an expansion again, terrible itemization scalling 1-110 due to stat squish, horrible leveling experience, abandoned content, dead-end unfinished storylines, etc…

Retail is a long way from it’s glory days.

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Pardon,that’s not my quote.Keep it up does nothing I already explained my position if you are able to read to above,but I see you are fix on trolling people. Where did this "just because " come from dude I have not posted such.

Here you go.

I asked you why you felt it needed to be as powerful and this is your reply.

That doesn’t answer my question in any way, shape, or form.

lololol… Truth.

But that is Not “Just because” do you read ? You insult me again by injecting another word? Dude you just lost your own argument.

It’s a non-answer. Reading comprehension, do you have it?

well right now it is just encouraged to do so rather than an actual requirement to raid. and benthic doesn’t need a socket to be competitive they are very strong without. I used to be a JC but sockets are RNG now. I guess I’m just upset sockets are RNG and when you tie that to benthic rng its a mess. titan forging never bothered me but instead of actually fixing stat balance between secondaries and primaries they would for example give you maybe 3 secondaries for a 5 ilvl upgrade while you gained maybe 11 or 12 primary. Primaries actually never got fixed in class tuning they just fudged the numbers on the gear so you always gain more stength than secondaries. but we still have gems and its rng and guess what gems have 50 secondaries now which is super strong.

should have just kept reforging in the game and let sockets be preset. titan forging doesn’t bother me at all though unlike everyone else.

if they continue to ignore secondaries and instead fudging numbers on gear they will eventually have to prune jewel crafting down to just primary stat gems or severely nerf how much secondary you get per gem. Notice how they already had to nerf the epic gems because 60 was just way too strong of an RNG roll. if sockets were preset it wouldn’t be as big an issue.

anyway we are a casual raiding guild but we got cutting edge on jaina. we don’t even have an available bench usually. some people their necks are still sub 50.

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There’s no confusion here:

Yes it is. That’s explicitly what I said was a fact.

It’s a fact. Players are neither awarded or denied gear based upon what they need. At no point does a box pop up that says, “Sorry man! You don’t need this!” and shows the loot someone would have gotten but didn’t. Nor does someone running Wailing Caverns as a newbie for the first time get a popup that says, “You’re new! You’re really bad at the game! It’s okay, you’ll get better! In the meantime here are these awesome boots designed for a level 50 player!” That’s not how the game works. That’s not how the game has ever worked. Those are facts. Player need has no bearing on whether they get loot or don’t get loot.

It’s a fact that that’s an argument that’s been used by elitists to argue why people don’t need gear that those elitists don’t believe they deserve in MMO’s for at least 20+ years. It’s an opinion that that’s what you’re doing, sure, but considering your commentary about turtles I’m 100% certain that’s the angle from which you’re arguing. But I also didn’t say it was a fact so I’m not sure why you feel the need to pretend that I said otherwise.

And again, where did I say this was a fact? Are you confused? Where did I say “All the things that follow are facts”? Oh wait, I didn’t. This is just another contrived thing to go on a tangent about that has no bearing at all to the conversation to deflect from the fact that your claim is ridiculous and deserves no substantive response.

The rest of your diatribe has no bearing on the point I made. You can believe whatever you want. It’s also not consistent with how WoW has been developed ever. There have always been good rewards that come from alternative sources all the way back through to vanilla. Which just goes to demonstrate that your opinions on how the game should be designed aren’t anything more than an opinion that’s not predicated on what the game has ever been.

As an addendum, it makes clear that what I thought was opinion was in fact, a fact. You are arguing from the angle of an elitist trying to explain why someone else doesn’t need gear. That’s very blatantly implied in your commentary about your opinion on game design. Shocker, I was right!

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Yeah and nerfing a pair of boots is what we need the game developers working on?

Chasing all of the petty complaints portions of players have? Only for them to come back in a few weeks with more.

The single piece of benethic armor is light years away from being a game breaking issue.

They really need to do some soul searching and get back to the drawing board to fix everything you just outlined.

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I really don’t want to hear the top .01% of the game dictating what the other 99.9 percent will be doing my dude.

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Yes see, you’re confused about what is opinion and what is fact.

Just because you feel things are a certain way that doesn’t actually make it true.

That’s why I linked you the narcissists prayer earlier because that’s exactly how you behave.

Ah yes, vague handwaving. Something we’re used to with you. Have you ever had the game deny you loot because you didn’t need it? Or did the game give you loot that you otherwise wouldn’t have gotten because it determined that you needed it? No? What are you talking about again? Meaningless prattle.

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I’m with you. My gear in no way impacts what the elite raiders who are pushing the content are doing. Yes, if a piece of benthic gear is BiS then someone may get butthurt at seeing me equipping it. So what?

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Exactly

Like we are going to stop them not getting world first right?

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Benthic gear is just another symptom of how far down the rabbit hole they’ve gone.

When catch up mechanics work at their best is when they are a bridge between tiers while not making the previous tier obsolete. BoJ gear when introduced was a great step up but people would still need some Kara/Gruul pieces, hell even rogues in Sunwell gear still farmed Gruul hoping for a DST.

When catch up mechanics aren’t good are when they completely negate the previous tier.

For whatever reason Blizzard has been following the negation path for a long time. As soon as a new content patch is released the lowest tier gear obtainable in the new content needs to be as good as the highest tier(more or less) than the previous content.

With Benthic gear it seems they’ve really doubled down on it. Like I was saying earlier, at what point do they just move to a Diablo type loot system and let all the loot drop from every activity all the time.

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But it wasn’t that but what fellows after they worry about. Who would sell the runs. I f people were geared to do the raids who how would they get their sells?

What was vague about that? I was being fairly direct.

Dude seriously shut up.

You are the reason wow is toxic.

You are the reason people get pissed off at changes.

You are literally talking about the smallest group of players in wow and how they affect everything everyone else that plays this game goes about it.

I wouldn’t shed a tear if you stopped playing.

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