Benthic gear is too OP for Mythic Raiding

Eddyv:

Overall Benthic gear has been a great addition to WoW, but there is one caveat. Some of the pieces have bonuses that work in the eternal palace that are so powerful that mythic drops are actually a downgrade.

This creates a situation where current mythic raiders are spamming alts for manapearls to roll on Boots/Bracers/Belt/Gloves until they get a socket. Now there is nothing intrinsically wrong with this, the problem is once they get that piece there is nothing else in the game that is an upgrade for the eternal palace, even items that can WF/TF from mythic.

A large part of this game centers around character progression (essences, reputation, gear, etc.) but when a system like Benthic is the only progression that ends up making gear from mythic feel like downgrades, there is something wrong.

Now I think that people should still have sockets and strong Benthic gear (425). But the equip bonus should either be significantly nerfed or have the eternal palace removed from the available areas that it functions in.

When I clear heroic/mythic this tier, I want loot to actually feel like a reward and a part of character progression. Other than this small issue, 8.2 has been great overall, so much content and interesting things to grind/farm that feels rewarding.

An actual, attainable, non RNG reliant, BiS peice. I think I’m ok with that.

Benthic Gear doesn’t devalue mythic gear anymore than the weekly M+ chest or Titanforging does. I’m actually happy to see gear being valuable based on secondary bonuses and not just because the item level is absurdly high.

When I clear heroic/mythic I want an item I receive to be worth the effort I put in to get it without thinking in the back of my mind that I need to farm week after week waiting for the same item to upgrade just to have something that is actually best in slot not just a shiny placeholder.

I think in most places we are aligned. I don’t like TF, I don’t like RNG. I want a piece that I get to be BiS, but I also want my BiS to come as a reward from the hardest content.

If I could upgrade benthic another 5-15 ilvl from currency from heroic and mythic raids, that would be great, because I earned my BiS outside of mindlessly farming rares on my alts.

Talbyy-tichondrius · July 7, 2019, 7:28pm

The damage proc peices are likely gonna get toned down a bit.

I believe the cloth? gloves or bracers that can do either damage or healing can be intercepted by people in raid so that one is being simulated at a value higher than you’ll get in raid.

In average scenarios the normal raid gear will get to a point where it’s equal to or better but initially I think the peices are fine like this. You’ll still want the 445 raid gear unless you want to use 425 boots in M+.

Valiane-stormrage · July 7, 2019, 7:31pm

Generally I agree - but a pair of boots isn’t going to break the game.

Also they threw out the ‘raid to raid, do other stuff to do other stuff’ mantra long with stuff like the AP grind, M+ gear, Legion legendary items, azerite armor, and now stuff like IA and PVP for essences, etc.

I’d love to see a return to where progression raiding did not require spending hours grinding non-raid content (outside the typical consumables we’ve always used).

Eddyv-malganis · July 7, 2019, 7:35pm

The gloves are currently being tested on turnips in naz, most people have found that the healing proc doesn’t proc for non-healers, but this might change.

The boots and wrists are objectively better for many classes than 445 gear, even if you get lucky with a socket on the mythic pieces.

The belt is the only piece where I find the it more akin to vanilla where a piece is BiS for one or two fights. I like that there is a belt that increases aberration damage (the threat damage proc belt could be a problem if it generates too much threat, the negative outcome from that could deter people from using it as a dps class).

Dirge-kilrogg · July 7, 2019, 7:43pm

Just take out the effects from Benthic when in the raid bit leave in place for world content and problem solved.

Woodwalker-zangarmarsh · July 7, 2019, 7:45pm

Just remove mythic raids .

Salilenda-zuljin · July 7, 2019, 7:46pm

I see your point and do not entirely disagree but in a game that tries to offer something for everyone (except gear crafters which was slightly fixed this patch but only slightly) what is truly wrong with having a few pieces of gear outside of raiding and dungeons be best in slot or on par with raid gear?

You have 15 to 16 pieces of gear depending on whether you have a 2 hander or not and take one away for the neck gives you 14 to 15 pieces of gear so take 4 away for being able to obtain from other sources. Why is this such a problem for you?

Are there not other people who play this game for other reasons than raiding or doing dungeons only? Yes there are and more of them than there are raiders and what is wrong with them having that cool feeling of having some good gear for a change?

It is not like it is every single piece of benthic gear that is best in slot.

Caargon-wyrmrest-accord · July 7, 2019, 7:46pm

Just remove raids entirely. Mythic plus too. World quests and emissaries are the real endgame.

Woodwalker-zangarmarsh · July 7, 2019, 7:47pm

Im cool with that.

Woodwalker-zangarmarsh · July 7, 2019, 7:48pm

Oh and flying all ground mounts and reduce walking speed by 70%.

Caargon-wyrmrest-accord · July 7, 2019, 7:49pm

Why? We’re trying to make this game more trivial and “friendly,” not less.

Salilenda-zuljin · July 7, 2019, 7:49pm

NOO not 70%…reduce it by 75%

Finraziell-wyrmrest-accord · July 7, 2019, 7:51pm

like my cloak I got on my warlock that generates threat? the gear is junk. 385 junk.

Zeusgodofsky-thrall · July 7, 2019, 7:51pm

Sounds like working as intended Benthic Gear Guide - Check out the all new outdoor world gear progression system in Nazjatar.