Beauty and the Beast, or Priestess and the Demon

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What are the likely repercussions of a Kaldorei married to or even falling for a Man’ari Eredar?

I thought of making a roleplay story/character where my heart belong to a demon of the burning legion. During the Legion invasion, the beast could have slain me but instead chose the noble path and spirited me away from the fight. A creature of chaos swayed by one of innocence.

My sisters in the priesthood would all agree that this choice is foolish and a path that could put my family and others at risk of being slaughtered. Would they shun me or treat me as an abomination, or hunt me down as blasphemy towards Elune?

But I have faith that even a creature who has slain countless innocents, destroyed numerous worlds, and even took part in the massacre of my people ten thousand years ago could turn over a new leaf.

Even a story like Romeo & Juliet has shown us what measures those who truly cherish one other would go to endure.

I know the trials and tribulations I would face, the hardships that could follow. What I must endure to prove that this course is a noble one.

Am I truly foolish or a miracle of chance to pursue this?

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From personal experience, it can be a challenge. Be ready to flee to the alternate universe or Outland if you so desire.

Your greatest enemy is being in public. The stare and scorns of others will weigh heavily upon you. Some may think you are being held captive against your will, or you are under some kind of mind control.

The more you try to defend your companion and your choice, the more wild the allegations will become. The most horrible experience for me was being kidnapped against my will by others sin’dorei believing I was possessed.

Ironically enough that I am the Warlock, and he is a Draenei Priest. Who’s really corrupting who?

I haven’t been persecuted by the Shator yet or any other organization of Draenei fellowship but I suspect it will be only a matter of time.

Wasn’t Azshara the self proclaimed bride of Sargeras or was that expunged?

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Realistically? Your character would be a pariah within traditionalist Kaldorei society, likely forced to live in exile in the fringes of civilization. Consorting with demons in most societies is a quick invitation for suspicion and distrust by your peers, as warlocks are oft to be the recipients of.

In practicality and RP? Depends on the circles you plan to take your character. My own Kaldorei would abhor the choice, but your average Stormwind walk up RP enjoyer probably wouldn’t bat an eye.

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Seconding Saesha here.

Most people would believe that you are the victim of a demonic ploy or agent. As Demons are known to use seduction and promises of love and affection to complete their mission (Sayaad race)

The Kaldorei have no love for demons, and they will try to help see the error in your ways, or if they believe you willingly consorted with demons they will most than likely shun you.

Eredar’s canonically have only recently been allowed on the Exodar and they’re closely monitored. So if this Eredar exist outside of that agreement could be seen as a threat.

RP Wise? It’s your 15 dollars. People have roleplayed weird concepts before.

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I had thought about moving to AU Draenor. Live at the garrison but secretly visit my beloved from time to time. He would hide like so many others among normal Draenei society.

My alternative option is remain within the ToS, since it still remains as a temple to the Goddess. Work as a caretaker among my fallen sisters.

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Have no fear, for the benefit of his demonic side only means a temporary demise. Lore states that demons killed return to the twisting nether, until their form reconstitutes or they possess a new body.

Only a final can occur directly within the twisting nether or in close approximation to a heavy source of fel energy.

I doubt the wardens will go to such lengths to transport an imprisoned demon just to ensure it stays dead. They would easily risk their own corruption.

So your husband gets killed yadda yadda yadda, wait a few months and he will return, although not as effectively as those revived from the world soul of argus.

I think the temple would be a bad suggestion again due to heavy saturation of fel energies. Seek sanctuary among the Illidari, maybe they will offer you safety…for a price.

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What is to stop them from imprisoning him to fuel their ship? The Illidari are the last option i would turn to seeking sanctuary to protect myself and my companion.

I would likely end up as a housemaid or servant, cleaning up and tending to the needs of the crew. Any act or refusal would leave me stranded on a rock in the middle of the great dark beyond.

*The fel hammer seems like a college house with no rules or restrictions. Demon Hunters seem like the no parents/no chores side of the Kaldorei/Sin’dorei.

I started scouring the map last night looking for a place to call home. There are so many ruins that remain in which I could settle. Unfortunately the Kalimdor continent would not work.

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Given the fact that many would think you are colluding with demons, I would recommend avoiding anything related to races with a prejudice nature. Their own judgements will be their downfall.

Take a chance and elope to Pandaria. Of all the nations and races across Azeroth, the Pandaren race is the most understanding and willing to keep the peace even against their own thoughts and opinions. They won’t immediately put you in prison.

The term “carebears” applies to them in the literal sense as they deeply and are more in tune with the suffering/feelings of others.

As a priestess of Elune, you could very well live and establish strong relations with the locals while teaching them of the Goddess, maybe even open up a shrine to the White Lady. Assuming the celestials don’t have a problem with it.

Those among them who serve as lorewalkers would very much be interested in the Night Elf culture as well as that of your husband. Even the lessons of the Man’ari Eredar could be a lesson of their own. About loss and humility mostly, hehe.

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It’s been stated quite clearly here that this would be a rather brazen choice. There’s no shortage of people that, for any myriad of reasons it’s more polite to not disclose, have been perfectly happy to have their characters accommodate demons. I wish to highlight the difficulties with the concept itself and the reaching of the conclusion to bringing a character to this point wherein they are willing to pursue an Eredar romantically.

The first layer. The origins of the character as a Priestess; young or old this is a very hardline orthodoxy that does not brook much if any breach of traditionalism. Veneration of your superiors, who are almost guaranteed to be your elders, comes included. This doesn’t leave a lot of initial cultural room to explain the choice, so that leads to the second layer.

Where did the ability for them to come to a different conclusion arise? Had they had a positive encounter with forces of the Legion, or perhaps even Illidari aligned demons, to give them a notion that they may have the potential for moral or even virtuous deeds? Had this happened before the events of Legion (the expansion) where they met the demon that would become their muse? Or was that itself the moment that awoke the notion in them?

The third layer deals with consequence, the repercussions of the relationship that people have already discussed. Exile, becoming a pariah for all time, possibly even assault or death. It would be an extraordinarily unwelcome relationship that would be met with outright hostility by a culture that has founded it’s entire existence upon warfare with the Legion. Something that Man’ari Eredar are completely interwoven into at the highest levels of influence.

The fourth layer is the one that this thread kind of touches on, and that’s the OOC/community reaction to the concept. As was aptly stated? It’s your 15$. If you want to write it there’s not really anyway at all for people to stop you. Unless you break the ToS then there’s probably not going to be much Blizzard will care to do either. That being obligatory said it needs to be stated that everyone else pays their 15$ too and isn’t obliged to like or even acknowledge something else somebody makes.

If the only defense of a concept or character is that the person making it puts the same money into their subscription as everybody else does, then that thing likely has problems that are far more pronounced than just a matter of a difference of opinion.

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IC, What would humans who has lived such a short life know about trial and hardships of elves and demons, or even the notion of companionship between them?

Can you even broaden your mind to the notion of what an elf who has lived for thousands of years and experienced war, pain, or sadness so much that they inevitably become numb to it can feel?

OOC, What does a players subscription have to do with the topic? And you do not speak for the entire RP community. I like her idea but you do not speak for me.

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I’m going to spoil something for you.

The people writing elf characters? They’re also humans, who have by the metrics and law of averages, probably not learned what it’s like to have an age in the triple digits. That perception, that numbness you’re talking about, is something that only exists in the realm of pure hypothesis. It isn’t something we have even anecdotal evidence on as to how it affects a person to live that long outside of a very small size. So all we have is the lore, and the lore says that the Night Elves were perfectly willing to immediately go full total war escalation against the Legion at the first sight of a demon. If you wish to dispute this then my only suggestion is going on youtube to find a playthrough of Warcraft 3’s campaigns.

As for the final part; it’s as it says. Nobody is obligated to like anything you do. Nobody is obligated to even put up with it or acknowledge it. That you’ve decided this means I am speaking for anyone other than myself is your own incorrect choice. Unless you mean to tell me that people are now bound to enjoy all media always.

Roleplay is a communal act, it fundamentally requires a plural of people. If the other people you’re doing it with don’t like something and all you do is make something that only interacts with yourself, then it isn’t really roleplaying. It’s just fan fiction. Perfectly fine thing to do, but a separate thing.

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I honestly don’t bother reading the posts from people who hate the idea and have to make it heard like everyone else should follow their opinion. Don’t feed them and they disappear. I’ve learned that from discord enough times.

Regarding Pandaria, that would work work but wouldn’t that be considered infringing upon the faith of the local populace trying to build a shrine? I was thinking of retreating to Azsuna. With its many ruins, it seemed like the most peaceful place.

The Garden of Elune is a nice place unto itself, spacious and forgotten.

With Kalecgos and Anveena, then later Jaina it was a moment if not a fling.
Matthias Shaw and Fynn Flairwind its a thing.
A Night Elf and a Demon could easily be the next surprise.
And Stormwind is the place where all magic happens.

Btw, wasn’t Illidan technically half demonic since he has a demon soul? He was for some time infatuated with Tyrande.

Out-of-Character i was always rooting for maiev and illidan to be an unlikely thing, but there’s alot to unpack to get there.

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I never intend to write as much as I always end up doing, but this is a really interesting topic and I couldn’t help myself. Sorry for the text soup below.

Warcraft has always had tales of romance and tragedy woven into the universe, and I’ve always enjoyed it myself. I do think however that while not impossible for someone to fall for a demon, you kind of have to consider the in-universe ramifications of what that means - the social pressures of society, how one copes and deals with that, whether they wear it like a badge or feel shame despite their feelings.

It’s these little details that to me flesh a character concept out. It makes it feel more understandable and reasonable within the setting. A character who reluctantly accepts their status as a pariah for love can be an interesting concept for sure no matter the dynamic.

That all said, cases like Kalecgos and Jaina, or Fynn and Mathias, are much different than a Kaldorei and a member of the Burning Legion. I get what you mean, that these are people from different walks of life who found companionship in one another despite the odds, but in the case of the former were two magically talented beings that existed within institutions and civilizations that had no cause for animosity between one another, and the latter which being two humans from similar backgrounds that fell in love with one another in a world devoid of judgement.

Meanwhile the Kaldorei have thousands of years of history and as many reasons beyond to hate the Burning Legion. Their empire collapsed overnight because of the Burning Legion. Millions of souls were lost because of Azshara’s hubris, whole cities and families swallowed by oceans or slaughtered by demons. Even now, they haven’t forgotten, and that pain that was caused, all that loss and suffering, has absolutely molded the average Kaldorei’s world view.

Just look at how Tyrande treated the Shal’dorei with immediate disdain and suspicion, despite the Nightborne having proven themselves time and time again. The Kaldorei are a people who largely reject wanton magic and corruptible influences, and that absolutely includes the fel and demons.

I bring all of this up not to discourage you, but as food for thought. Everyone approaches RP differently, after all. I myself like to think about these things and take them into consideration for how I roleplay my characters and what limitations I set upon them as a result, but I also know not everyone is like me.

As a quick example: this character I play is a Scarlet. I’ve received requests for RP from people that are not Scarlets. I’m always incredibly flattered when someone takes interest in them, but I almost always turn them down because I can’t reasonably see this character casually having a chat with someone they would be trying to kill. I get less roleplay because of these self-imposed restrictions, but I’m willing to deal with that because it makes sense in my mind.

Stormwind is definitely a melting pot of ideas and cultures in universe. It’s also the location with a notoriously under-the-table warlock cult that has nobles assassinated for asking too many questions about them.

Kind of in line with what I was saying above, since Stormwind is considered the RP hub of the server, you’re going to encounter a lot of people that exist within its sphere do their own thing, play characters who don’t necessarily fit the setting, push boundaries of what is acceptable to some or unacceptable to others. It’s a mishmash of quality brought together because it’s considered the place for easily accessible RP. Most people are willing to ignore certain aspects of lore if it means they get access to a steady flow of casual roleplay. And that’s fine!

It’s just that that mentality doesn’t exist everywhere, so it’s something to be mindful of.

I’m not really big on shipping culture, but if there were two characters I consistently thought should grow to appreciate and form romantic bonds with one another, it is absolutely Maiev and Illidan. Always felt like it would be great closure for their characters for sure.

TLDR: nothing wrong with your character concept, imo just be mindful of the IC repercussions, the whos, whats and whys, and how they can add a lot of flavor to your roleplay.

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Allegedly.

Here, take this drink I made you…

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Stormwind is not and has never been a ‘melting pot’ of cultures.

This bizarre fascination some roleplayers have with blending the presence of absurd RP characters into the established world building seen on the game needs to stop.

Booty Bay is a melting pot. You see NPCs of all races there. Undermine is a melting pot. Again, NPCs of all races are there. Stormwind is as much a melting pot as Bel’ameth is, which is to say it isn’t at all.

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Tomato tomato.

Stormwind is a capital H Human city. It’s culture is steeped in Human influence. Human laws, human taboos, human architecture. Historically it’s always been this way, and continues to be this way.

It also has an entire, massive district dedicated to the Dwarves and Gnomes. Has a railway that directly connects it to Ironforge, facilitating further trade and the the transferring of ideas and culture. It became a temporary home for Kaldorei and Worgen for many years before Bel’ameth was created. You get the point.

What I was getting at is that it is metropolitan. Stormwind can be a Human city while also steadily gaining flecks of influence from the rest of the Alliance’s races as is natural for any major capital.

I dislike it myself, but unfortunately my opinion doesn’t stop people from doing what they want. I’ve come to accept this over time. This is why I emphasize that not everyone is like-minded when it comes to your average Stormwind RP enjoyer’s point of view and also caution against people who use that scene as an example for what is reasonable or not.

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Fair point about the dwarves and gnomes. The relationship between dwarves, humans, and eventually gnomes (after their addition in WoW) is one that has been canon since the beginning of the franchise. I agree that it fits the description of multi-cultural.

I think the refugees and their impact on Stormwind’s cultural diversity as a whole is somewhat vague, however, given how once the refugees were removed from the city their presence disappeared almost entirely. You don’t see night elf NPCs walking around Stormwind, or engaging in much of anything outside of a few specific examples at Lion’s Rest and the Mage Quarter.

That being said, put against other main cities, I can definitely admit I was wrong about Stormwind being multi-cultural. I’m still not of the mind that it is a true melting pot, however, as it lacks the diversity one might expect from a modern RL city like New York or San Francisco.

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This is the story idea i created so far. I know it sounds rather cliche but i wanted to keep it simple for the time being.

By the grace of Elune and the light of redemption, romance finds its way—even between enemies.

In the twilight of Val’sharah’s burning boughs, as the Legion scorched the ancient groves, Priestess Hadiene Moonstrike stood firm beneath the shadow of chaos.

She was a daughter of the Moon, a disciple of Elune whose life had been woven through centuries of silence, solitude, and faith. Her white hair shimmered like spun silver in the waning moonlight, her violet skin glowed softly with the blessings of the goddess, and her violet eyes held the sorrow of ten thousand nights. When the Legion returned, she had sworn once more to fight until her final breath.

But fate had other plans.

It was during the final siege of the Temple of Elune, when the sky bled green and the earth wept fire, that Hadiene was struck down. A corrupted Felguard shattered her staff with a swing of its glaive, sending her sprawling across the shattered steps of the ancient temple. Her breath caught, her body broken. She could feel death crawling in the corners of her vision. She whispered Elune’s name one last time…

And then he came. Not a hero of the Alliance. Not even a repentant Demon Hunter. But a Man’ari.

Towering. Red-skinned. Hooved. With horns like obsidian blades and eyes burning with fel-fire. A creature born of Argus, cursed and forsaken—an Eredar of the Burning Legion itself.

He should have finished her, a weak opponents ready for her demise. But instead, he saved her.

His name was (Omited for CoC), once a proud Eredar Warlock who had turned from Sargeras too late. His hands were stained with a thousand sins—but something inside him had broken during the endless war. He had seen what his kind had become: hollow weapons in a never ending fight. And in Hadiene, broken and defiant beneath a shattered moon, he saw what they had lost.

With a flare of Felfire, (Omited for CoC) tore through his own ranks to shield her. Felguards fell beneath his fury. Satyrs collapsed as he broke their feeble bodies. Then, against every instinct, he carried her away—into the forests, far from the battlefield.

Hadiene awoke in a forgotten glade, the Moon overhead dimmed by ash. She had expected death—or worse. But instead, she found him seated near a dying fire, his armor cracked, his runes flickering with fading energy.

“Why?” she croaked, her voice barely above a whisper.

He didn’t look at her. “Because I remembered… what it was to care… for someone once.”

What followed were days of wary silence. Then questions. Then arguments. Then confessions.

Hadiene, who had only known hatred for the Legion, found herself undone by the weight of his remorse. (Omited for CoC), who had slaughtered in the name of the crusade, found peace in her prayers.

She healed him. He protected her. Together, they wandered a world still burning. And slowly, impossibly, they changed.

When the war ended, Hadiene was branded a heretic by her order. She had saved a demon, they said. Adored him. Trusted him. That was a betrayal of Elune.

But Hadiene knew the truth.

(Omited for CoC) had cast off the Legion and endured the pain of transformation. The Light, though it seared him, had begun to answer his call. His skin remained crimson, but his soul in time no longer burned with Fel.

They became exiles. Not from each other, but from a world too slow to forgive.

They made a home in the ruins of an elven observatory on the coast of Azsuna, where starlight kissed the waves in the twlight hours. There, Hadiene continued her prayers to Elune. And though the Goddess never spoke directly, the Moon still shone upon them.

That was enough.

I pulled some ideas from LOTR, and one of their Orc/Elven plots but with a Warcraft twist.

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I don’t think it’s fair to say you were entirely wrong. Arguably in WC3 the Humans should have just been called the Alliance. We only get one really prolific instance of a human character having noticeable biases against Dwarves, Elves, and Gnomes. The rest of the time they all seem to generally think quite cohesively of one another with the more modern exception of Elves.

The Alliance, and more particularly the three races of Dwarves, Gnomes, and Humans, have a uniquely conjoined history with eachother as well as recently discovered shared origins from the same creators. They all draw from the same wellspring, or more accurately came out of the same Forges.

That all said? Stormwind is not just a city. It’s a whole swathe of lands with a highly spread out population that, if we look at it? Is supermajority humans. The cultural enclaves of other cultures that exist within the city, are more or less the only real substantial groups of those cultures within the entire political domain.

And, to reiterate something that still rankles me; the Park District used to be full of Night Elves that had a moonwell in the middle of it.

I still miss it.

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Given how most fairy tale romances involve a male lead as the hero and a female as the damsel in distress this doesn’t follow that narrative in the same boat. Beauty and the Beast concept does work in a manner. A female lead with the strength to defy her own people.

Many scarlets have that strength even knowing they are shunned by society, not all of them are zealots. This is a defying-destiny strength few possess; human, kaldorei, or so many others.

How many villains in stories have enough self awareness to step back and think on their actions? Most would give in to the thrill and lose themselves to insanity.

Que Kuzco from the Emperor’s New Groove. (You threw off my grove…I’m sorry but youve thrown off the emperors grove…(throws the old man out of the building from 20 stories above) Sorrrrryyyy…)

From what we saw regarding the Penitents, not all of them joined willingly. Some just realized too late their mistake and either had to play the part or suffer endlessly. Dance puppets Dance. Self preservation is not always an evil choice, but the outcomes from that path can still be.

I would have rooted for him to stay as a warlock, instead of going the priestly route.

Overall i enjoy it. Not the perspective i was expecting.

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