No, we have not to. That is just you not being the brightest of the class.
He said guardian is perfect viable based on “dictionary definitions”. Said guardian is not underperforming, but don’t want to compare tanks performances. Also said guardian needs buffs. All in the same thread. Totally shameless.
That is a troll, people, if you ever require source material.
(thanks for the bump in the thread, keep it coming).
How are BDKs doing then? And Paladins? And what are you using to judge their performance?
See the issue yet? Or you choosing to stay ignorant because you’d have to eat your foot?
Truth. Easily fact checked. Go look it up.
“As a metric for base performance”. Keep things in context there.
Not need. Just want.
Now let’s go back to this shall we:
If you don’t have an average, then what are you comparing to to find out what’s above and what’s under base performance?
Well you clearly don’t know how to, that is why you don’t know that guardian is underperforming, something that is obvious to everyone else here. If you don’t know how to look at data, or don’t know what to do with it, avoid joining discussion about it.
Funny that you don’t know how to judge tank performance based on the available data, but you’re the one with an absurd amount of posts on this thread, 90% saying the same superficial thing.
That is a troll behavior, people.
It’s okay to say you don’t know.
Oh I’m able to just fine. Which is why I can differentiate between under performing at a base level vs under performing compared to an over performing spec.
There’s a major difference between the two and I’ll be excited when you finally figure it out.
Ah yes, when nothing goes your way, and hominem. 
currently we are the only tank if you compare number of tanks as a percentage vs completion of 20 keys that goes down substantially…ie we are the only tank in this position. We have only 7.6% of the tanks competing 20s vs 7.5% for monks but they only have 7.6% representation due to being under powered before 10.05 with warriors gaining in percentages and other tanks about the same or gained in percentage. After 25 there are no bears but at least some of every other tank. So we are not doing well.
I understand this, which is why I’m all for advocating for buffs for Bears.
But the game isn’t balanced or designed around 25+. This is all ego play. And eventually Bears will get there too. It’s not like every tank has been clearing all keys on 25 for 4 weeks now.
But! Where the game is balanced and where they’ll look when they implement buffs and nerfs to not break anything, we’re sitting at 60% timed completions. And that’s the lowest. And Warriors had the highest timed completion percentage at the 20 key range at 70%.
6 tanks within 10% is a solid presentation of power at a balancing view.
Beyond that, the issues to grow just as exponentially as the damage/hp scaling goes. And as such, Druid could use some buffs to help mitigate that issue
Still the starting percent of bears as tanks are 14.7 percent with only 7.6% of them completing at least one 20. So even looking at 20s as a balance there is something clearly wrong with bears compared to every other tank. Not just OP warriors.
If you go by your logic by balancing around a 20 all tanks should have relatively the same percent of tanks completing that level. Guardians are the only tank under performing by a large margin and warriors are over preforming. The other tanks are relatively balanced.
Yeah but this number is easily skewed by the sheer number of Warriors being played.
Warriors make up more than any 2 and even some of 3 combinations of any of the other tanks.
So it’s not about how many there are (otherwise we would have to go back and look at overall), but how are the ones who are doing it, doing?
That’s when we go back to the 60-70% completed per attempted. If we had 100,000 warriors attempt a 20 and only 40,000 time it, but had 2500 out of 5000 bears time it, which so you think would be performing better? The one with 50% completion rate, or 40% (although real numbers show bears at 60% and Warriors at 70%. But that’s still a decent margin to be within when competing in statistics with Warriors!)
The only reason you need to do this kind of mental gymnastics is because it is too late for you to admit that Guardian is underperforming. But everyone else just look at numbers and know everything they need to know about you and your “arguments”. LOL
When you say that ProtWar is over performing you’re already comparing it with others classes, because to see what is under performing or over performing is the act to compare each spec, and you know that. And you also know Guardian is under performing, because you already establish that ProtWar is over performing, so you already made all the needed comparison with the other specs.
But you can’t admit the obvious anymore. You put yourself in this position, now deal with it. Keep trolling, that is all that you have now. You look at numbers and you have a hearth attack…
But don’t fool yourself. EVERYONE here already knows you’re a troll.
Shoot I missed this. And we do. That’s the 60-70% I was talking about.
absolutely not, if you look at the starting numbers of all tanks the percentages are there, guardian is the only tank going down for 20s. again to show u the least played tank is the monk at 7.6% of all representation but 7.5% of 20s are cleared by a monk tank bears are at 14.7% of stating tanks but go down to 7.6% representation at a 20 so that does take into account the number of player. Warriors start at 28% ish and end up well over 30% of tanks clearing 20s. We are the only tank that goes down substantially at 20s. So we need more balancing issues. These are facts.
Is this because the druid is bad though or because other tanks are better? Alot of tanks are switching to prot to play higher keyed content, that doesnt make the druid bad just less desirable for higher keys.
Absolutely you do lol.
All the classes are balanced on being able to get to, and complete 20s. Or at least thats the design goal. We can agree to this at least yeah?
Given that, it’s the players skill that determines if they make it to that 20. Sure player skill plus part in all of that, but to a lesser extent getting up to this point. Otherwise all 200k Prot Warriors should be making it to the 20 key range.
But not everyone plays that far, and not everyone is skilled enough to get that far. My alts stay in the 10-15 range where they can steamroll content and look OP to those trying to gear up and push io. Which makes me a negative mark on the statistic board which has nothing to do with class balance.
Given that, we want to look at completion ratings at that 20 range as opposed to how many got to that range.
The cd or die playstyle is bad and incredibly unfun to play. Safly thats how it is for bear rn.
I disagree you have to look at starting percentages too, there is a reason so few bears in terms of percent are even given the chance at completing a 20 key. The percentages should be the same. You are saying #s I am talking percentages so does not matter how many you start with. If you balance around a 20 the percentages should stay the same. Monk I think is well balance see at a 15 they have the same 7.5% bears are at 11.1% but have a steep drop at 20. Warriors go up and so forth.
Uhh no…no I didn’t. I didn’t compare specs to one another to determine anything.
I used the timed/attempted at 20 ratio to determine how classes are performing at the balance break point.
You’re like 0/8 so far. But do keep going.
It maybe a great deal of reasons but likely due to druid being the worse tank as monk is the least popular tank but has the same percent of clearing 15 and 20s as the starting value. So monk if it were as bad should go down the same way.
It does not matter and no one cares how things works in your imagination. You used what you wanted to, and ignored what you wanted to.
Data is there to show right now the spec is under performing, it is clear as day for everyone, and you only look like a fool when you try to challenge numbers. You look like because that is what you are, by the way.
3/100 on IQ, but keep trying.
The question I am raising though is that there are very few bears even attempting 20s relative to the population and every other tank that is not the case so clearly bears need some attention. the % clear maybe based on skill but that does not explain the sheer lack of bears trying to do 20s.