My low geared 354 paladin thats never touched a raid is currently at 82% CTC. Might be doable.
Might be possible in T12, probably not though.
Not like the pala guide writer is very helpful. Just “here’s your bis list and stats, good luck dummy”. I’m certainly not gonna go in their discord to find out.
At a glance the wowhead guide suggests stacking mastery gems, but it suggested that in T11 and it resulted in a lot of prot palas just getting giga-clapped.
Those guide have been saying get to 102.4% throughout all of T11, I’ve kind of ignored them for the most part.
Yes they do. Look at similarly geared tanks on warcraftlogs. BDKs take ~30% more dmg than shield tanks, because they have no block. Paladins also have more CDs than BDKs…so Im not sure why you think BDKs have more defensives.
I’m only 10 pts away from CTC in full t11 BiS on my prot pally. It’s very doable next phase. Only warrior shield tanks will have a tough time reaching it next phase unless they stack mastery.
Paladins can do it in T11 with a bunch of 372 gear, by spamming Mastery everywhere. It’s possible, with cherry-picked gear, at about 365 ilevel.
Warriors can only do it starting in T12 with a bunch of 391 gear, with the same strategy. I don’t know exactly, but I think they’d need to be around 385 ilevel.
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There are 16 total parses that exist for t11 for frost mages, and none of them are even close to feral.
This is a flat out lie. Stop crying and practice at feral. 
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No they can’t.
With BiS gear, the MOST mastery in every slot, optimizing for avoidance and foregoing hit/exp caps, they’re looking at 99.82 ctc MAX.
No. Do you even know what math is?
If you don’t know, just say you don’t know.
This doesn’t count. When you say “but”, it means everything before it is complete nonsense.
Here’s a set of just T11 gear:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/cata/set/cnfpsNv2XnHzaZn7wWJ7Po
Notice it has 104.97% CTC. UNBUFFED.
There are a bunch of bad enchants and gems that do nothing but achieve maximum CTC. But having Mastery food buff + raid buffs + (if desired) Mastery elixir pushes the buffed CTC far above the unbuffed value. Food buff by itself is around 1.1%. Mastery elixir is around 2.8%. Raid buffs add some small percentage. This set achieves north of 109% CTC when all is said and done.
Ignore him hes a troll and doesnt know what hes talking hense why he is hiding behind a level 50.
I actually know just fine. “Cherry picked”, and super lucky “rock slab” times 4? Super lucky… only just barely get you there WITH full raid buffs. This is SUPER unlikely. Possible, sure. So are flying cars…. One day.
So how about instead of going way outside the bounds of likelihood, you cater to what’s realistic. The gear you posted, is NOT realistic, now tell me how lucky you got, I’m ready.
“Derrr, if all the stars align”
Pretty sure you’re the troll. You do nothing but cry about EVERYTHING. Go practice on a dummy, you may achieve higher than 9/13 one day when cata classic comes around a second time.
because raid prog is 100% on the induvial and not the guild. Your the troll here.
Dude, you speak from “authority” CONSTANTLY, and you are far from it. There are people that have full cleared since early p1. There are people that have been on top of these things since before launch, into years of cata private servers. YOU need to get better at kitty. It’s in a good place in THIS PHASE, to buff it because you perform poorly isn’t a good decision for the playerbase.
Troll harder bud.
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you need to relax and stop being so angry. I could go find anther guild and chase parses and full clears if i wanted to but i choose not to because i enjoy playing with the people in my raiding guild. there is more to the game then chasing parses and full heroic clears. but clearly you cant seem to grasp that all the while you hide behind a level 50 belittling people. Because you are afraid to post on your main to be called out like you are trying to call others out.
I only mention your prog, because of yourself speaking from authority, or I wouldn’t have to. I’ll stop calling you out for being wrong, when you stop asking for buffs to a spec that doesn’t need them…
Agreed?
I’m not afraid of anything, and don’t have anything to prove… You clearly think you do, telling people over and over that a spec, that’s A tier in FL, needs to be buffed, one can only assume you’re bad at it, since all the Sims and such say otherwise.
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Yeah you can stack mastery and now you have 149k hp unbuffed, i have 124k unbuffed in game right now as arms… DK’s and druids have over 200k. This is why I said it’s possible in T12 but still not worth doing. You lose way too much stamina for it to ever be worth.
Also, I’m 90% sure sixtyupgrades doesn’t have correct DR’s.
How many defensives do prot palas actually have?
I know dk has bone shield (20% all dr, with enough avoidance you actually get pretty good uptime on this though I know absolutely none of the blood dks are currently stacking any kind of avoid), ams (basically magic invuln up to 50% of their hp), ibf (50% all dr), drw (20% additional parry, unaffected by dr to my knowledge), vampiric blood (last stand+increased healing), and the wish version of ardent with will of the necropolis (25% dr if you go below 30% hp).
Typing all that physically hurts me as a warrior where I have to just accept my only relevant defensive kit is last stand, enraged regen, and wall.
You literally said “BIS gear” and “most mastery in every slot” and now you’re complaining that I did exactly that. Hypocritical much?
Go and show me what you’re allowing to be used as BIS and show me how you only get to 99.81%.
Being at 109% with full raid buffs isn’t “barely getting there.” It’s some 500-ish Mastery over the cap. It would be like saying a caster is “barely over hit cap” when they’re at 22% spell hit.
Also, what’s the purpose complaining about using full raid buffs? This is Cataclysm. It’s rare that the important raid buffs are missing. Are you raiding with 0 combined DKs, Warriors, and Shamans in your group?
Also, I missed a 2nd profession. Adding Blacksmithing for an extra 2 sockets gets another 1% CTC bringing the total north of 110%.
It’s an extreme example showing how far one can get in just T11 gear. The guy said it’s not possible to get CTC capped in T11, and I proved him wrong. By overcapping by a lot. So even if someone complains that the tool isn’t working or the gear is unrealistic I could change it up and still be capped. Notice how nobody complained that the gear doesn’t actually reach the CTC cap.
Nowhere did I say that the set that I created is good. From a maximum survivability standpoint, the correct play is to drop Mastery down so that you are just barely CTC capped and stack Stamina after that point.
You are more than welcome to play around and create a set that does exactly that. Given that it’s some 500-ish Mastery over the CTC cap, and Mastery can be traded 1:1.5 for Stamina in gems, that gearset can be effortlessly changed to have roughly 750 Stam instead of that 500-ish extra Mastery. That would translate to about 15k extra HP unbuffed.
The trinkets can also be exchanged for the higher ilevel Stamina trinkets which would be a better exchange rate than the gems.
Also I’m pretty sure the Druids and DKs are only getting to 200k with raid buffs.
Yes, I’m seeing that. It shouldn’t matter a whole lot since most of Paladin CTC comes from Mastery which doesn’t DR.
5 for all intents and purposes:
Divine Protection - 20% DR, 1 min CD
Ardent Defender - 20% DR, 3 min CD, Cheat Death effect
Guardian of Ancient Kings - 50% DR, 3m CD
Lay on Hands - full heal, 7m CD
Holy Shield - brings BV up to 50% from 30% (or 51% from 31% with meta gem) which is about a 30% blockable damage DR, 30s CD. Similar to Shield Block.
Correct. Dodge and parry only DR from the ratings themselves. Flat percentage gains like DRW do not DR.
The primary problem with DK tankiness is that while they have a similar number of cooldowns as every other tank, they are much shorter than those of the other tanks. Vamp Blood being similar in effect to Last Stand is fine and all, but when one of them is on a 1m CD and the other a 3m CD, there’s a huge difference. Same with Bone Shield & WotN vs. Ardent Defender.
Maybe on prot pala you can live with that little stam, prot warrior cannot. CTC, while desirable, just results in us getting clapped up at an unhealable rate. Stam stack remains king. T13 we can mostly reach CTC without giving up too much HP but like I said before, by the time that happens nothing matters and nobody cares.
Hey, my class works properly now that we’re fully BiS and the guild is going on break till next expansion 
For completion, warrior has 4 defensives, 5 if you want to count rally but rally shares cd with last stand and is strictly worse so… shield block (lmao 30s cd 10s uptime, so you only get clapped for 40s out of every 60), wall, last stand, enraged regen (wish version of frenzied regen). I’m not counting reflect because there’s like 3 things in all of cata raids that can be reflected.
How far they can get with the most impossible setup to get wasn’t the question. If you quite literally have to hit the lottery, REPEATEDLY, to get the necessary items to achieve this, then you don’t have an argument.
Just lol.
Did you cry this hard when prot pally was solo tanking all 25m herioc content in wrath? Doubt it. Post on your main or just like dont post. Just because your favorite class isnt fomo, doesnt mean it needs to change. Again, BDK was in fact NOT king in wrath. It was prot pally 100%.