Maybe. It is exactly these types of discussions I want to have!
I think either could definitely work. I’m not sure of the plusses or minuses of each.
Either way that’s years down the line. Classic isn’t even out yet… can we at least enjoy that first? I enjoyed BC and Wrath as much as the next guy but come on…
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It’s two years away. That’s one development cycle. The time to start talking about it is now (or at least soon). As for me, yes I will likely be too busy playing the game in a few days to have much time to talk about it, but for now, what else am I supposed to do?!?
Sorry Caxtren…We have the most recent AMA to blame when the devs decided to bring up putting out TBC in response to a question about adding further content to classic beyond Naxx. All the threads about TBC popped up fairly soon afterward
Sheer volume of content to rebalance, for one.
Rescaling a couple of raids is nothing compared to rescaling the whole of Outland and it’s many dungeons and raids. The latter would take far more development resources.
It’s not just raids. There is world content linked to those raids that would remain relevant. It also forces pre-BIS for ALL raids to be done in Outlands if you don’t do anything for any Classic dungeons as well. I actually think it would be simpler by scaling TBC down to 60.
Power is directly related to Ilvl. The only reason some previous gear is more powerful despite being from a previous raid is special abilities and better stat distribution.
That’s unavoidable. The gear has to invalidate other gear otherwise it’s not a reward.
Classic+ would also require a class balancing which would completely throw off itemization of naxx and prior. So either you would have to leave it completely banjaxed or go back and re-itemize the previous gear especially tier sets. It’s one of the reasons you only see major balance changes to classes/mechanics in most games at expansion or seasons changes.
There is also the problem of upsetting those that want original TBC. Those wanting original TBC know what they are asking for and all agree for the most part. Those wanting CLassic plus or 60BC can’t seem to agree on what they want to see outside of more content and they can’t agree on what that more content should look like.
Then there is the financial viability raising up TBC would be far cheaper than going through an entire retail like expansion development that Classic+ would require.
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We are all just talking in circles and this guy/gal fails to accept that most of us want to keep TBC intact and want nothing to do with his/her ideas for Classic/TBC+
I’m ready to mute this thread and leave this conversation entirely. Peace out peeps
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Is this intended to be an argument? This is exactly what I said.
Absolutely not. It has to be better, not “invalidate.” If it is only a little better, it still feels like a reward. Let me give you an example. While playing the Classic stress test I would get rewards that were a few extra armor or one extra DPS. In the grand scheme of things these rewards were completely trivial yet they felt very rewarding. It doesn’t take much. More important, when an item has some staying power it always feels more rewarding, even if there is something better out there. If the better item is only a little bit better, you can be happy about what you got instead of feeling “incomplete” because you don’t have “the best”. If you ever get that best item, you will still be happy about that piece, not because “it is so much better,” but simply because it is better. That is enough.
Hmm, that was not explained as well as I would like. Lets try this.
- An item must feel like it will last a long time to feel rewarding.
- An item must be an improvement over what you have to feel rewarding.
The only way both of those conditions can be met is if the ilvl increase (or power level increase) is existent, but not substantial.
Could do what I am doing, soak up all the lore again pre WoW. All the warcraft lore that leads up to WoW classic. Could also start looking into what profs need what reps or where certain plans drop. Things like that. All i’m saying is we fought loooong n hard for Classic, let’s enjoy that before asking for more imo.
Any upgrade no matter how small invalidates the piece it replaced. The only exceptions to this are resist gear or gear with abilities that make them better under specific circumstances thus giving you a reason to keep them around.
I already know these things.
I appreciate this sentiment. Next week I will heed your advice!
That honestly seems like a glass half empty kind of answer. If I worked super hard for a piece of gear and then another drops that’s green and barely an upgrade? I might be keeping my gear, especially if it looks better. But if it’s a giant upgrade, damn right I will take that upgrade. But I think both of you are saying similar things in different ways.
Ya, over the years I think I have been over all the lore 3-4 times lol. But I tend to forget things or overlook little side branches of story.
I agree. We are speaking about two different things. I am not saying that for the individual that gets an upgrade the previous piece is not obsolete. I am saying that a reward needs to not be so large that you need that new piece to feel in any way satisfied with what you get. For instance, in BfA a ilvl whatever piece feels meaningless, because I know I will replace it in a few weeks. No matter what piece it is, there is so much better out there. I am never “satisfied” with anything. There are too many carrots, and they are too big. They need to be few and small or they can’t satisfy.
Adding extra content to Classic, makes it not classic.
They did add content to Classic once, it’s called retail.
No one here (that I am aware of) is talking about adding content “to Classic.” Rather we, or at least I, am discussing how to best implement new TBC servers to keep the spirit of Classic alive in the expansion, since the original TBC did not do so adequately imo. The devs asked us to discuss this very topic in the recent AMA.
That’s simply not true, and private server history confirms it.
I was responding to the OP dude, who said this:
“Any support for adding the BC content to Classic”.
I have no idea what you said.
My apologies. I do not support such an idea, at least not in the direct sense.