Battle.net forum format

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

At the same time, I think it’s a problem that you can join a thread with the intent to troll enough to get it shut down and not get banned.

[Weidmann-stormreaver]

Problem is people keep engaging them even after they know the misinformation crowd is still going to repeat their misinformation after being shown the facts.

I know some people go “I don’t puit anyone on ignore” but you know sometimes you just need to

[Murdercarpet-zuljin]

@Weidmann-stormreaver

The idea of adding Battle tags is that it would tie a persons toons to one account making it so all likes are tied together (preventing people from alt hopping to like ones own post , all flags are tied together (preventing a single person from alt hopping to flag posts.) ,prevents people hopping on alts to skew polls (see recent one) and one of the biggest things it does is allowes players to put entire accounts on ignore which stops those being ignored from alt hopping to bypass said ignore.

They chose this forum software for a reason. I don’t think it was a random choice. It’s very non-standard. Look at how long it took them to implement ignore, which is standard on every forum software.

[Weidmann-stormreaver]

They chose the software that does allow it to be btag format but had it adjusted for stuff like rp. The problem is when they got Discourse to do the special adjusments for the WoW forums it made the Character-Server the account instead of the Btag. Even Blizz has admitted this is a problem and are looking into ways to change the wow forums.

Will it be going the btag route like their other forums or another universal id to tie all of ones toons together ? Who knows . All I can say is it won’t be soon because we all know the people over at Camp Irvine tend to move slow.

[Bowflexbarb-antonidas]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

We need the WoW forums to change to a b-net form.

Why?

1. To tackle ppl with alts masquerading as other people when it’s the same user.
2. To discourage some trolling attempts (trolling will still happen, but is less likely as people will know they are trolls more easily)
3. Stops Alt bumping.

And other reasons I have forgotten atm.

Why people think it’s a bad idea:

Stalking, which is not possible due to the ability to block b-net users and reject requests. (actually it’s easier to stalk ppl on the current format because players do not need permission to add a charecter to friends lists)

Actually stalking is the only reason I saw. Just make the forums a B-net format instead of charecter format blizz.

Personally, I disagree.

IMO, the forums are often a toxic environment, and people have a right to expect and have privacy and not become the brunt of the name calling, mud slinging, acid tonged caustic environment sometimes known as the wow forums.

What it needs is, Blizz to first warn perpetrators, perhaps 3 times.
and then if it continues, Blizz needs to follow up with full account bans.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Bowflexbarb-antonidas

IMO, the forums are often a toxic environment

And I’m going to suggest that the way the forums currently operate (effectively infinite burner accounts for free) is at least partially responsible for causing that effect.

[Weidmann-stormreaver]

@Bowflexbarb-antonidas

IMO, the forums are often a toxic environment, and people have a right to expect and have privacy and not become the brunt of the name calling, mud slinging, acid tonged caustic environment sometimes known as the wow forums.

I agree but btags are public names as statred by Blizz. YOu can’t find out what a persons toons are by just knowing their btag . In fact it is easier to find ones alts with the current char-server system .

[Kissmytotems-proudmoore (Kissmytotems)]

Can’t complain about people hopping on alts doing whatever when you knowingly spam this again after others closed any better? Btw the forums are worthless anyway so who cares what happens here. Never take this cesspool serious it’s never changing with or without btags.

[Lannislight-wyrmrest-accord]

@Kissmytotems-proudmoore

so who cares what happens here. Never take this cesspool serious

Tbh it’s more about the fact people who do use this space and platform being deserving of not being trolled by unhinged weirdos talking to themselves via sock puppets. Or having to put up w someone’s bigotry & deciding they’re someone who you’re better off ignoring only for them to circumvent people’s ignores and pop up again on a sock puppet. Etc

Wanting a better less toxic environment no matter how serious or unserious the space is isn’t a negative request or desire, the forums would arguably benefit from such positive changes on a personal level but also for blizzard as a company to better streamline feedback without the noise of its most toxic element on the forums as people would be unable to sock puppet to the same effect as they currently are.

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

people tend to jump on multiple alts on the forums to mascarade as “other” users or bump forums.

sure, it happens occasionally, but it’s not a big enough problem that the forums need to be revamped to fight it. it’s much more common that somebody sees 10 people all telling them their ideas are bad, and decides it must just be one person trolling them.

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Also with the poll, they can vote multiple times.

which would be a big problem if the poll were something that mattered. it’s not.

[Bowflexbarb-antonidas]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

@Bowflexbarb-antonidas

IMO, the forums are often a toxic environment

And I’m going to suggest that the way the forums currently operate (effectively infinite burner accounts for free) is at least partially responsible for causing that effect.

You are entirely correct and I agree with you.

However, we approach the question of a solution to the issue differently:

A) You seem to believe it is the forum communities task to do the policing to correct the issue, if Blizz would change the tools available to the community.

B) I’m suggesting that the policing should be Blizz’s task. Blizz set the rules, they set the structure, they set the level of need (by creating huge gaps in the in-game information structure of the game that forces a player to go to the forums and/or third party websites).

So we are on the same page, just approaching the possible solution from different directions.

[Doness-kargath (Doness)]

@Kissmytotems-proudmoore

Btw the forums are worthless anyway so who cares what happens here.

They’re worthless because Blizzard allows them to be. But moderation can fix that. So can Battletags leading to no more sockpuppeting and less trolling.

[Golavar-stormrage]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Oh, so your asking for proof that happens daily then. Look up the race request threads.

No, you made the claim you can prove it. I don’t care enough to put forth even the slightest iota of effort for this topic.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

I also agree that blizzard needs to do a better job, but at the same time, I think that making this change would give them an easier job to do.

All that being said, this topic (and the other threads about it) has shown that the heckler’s veto is currently too powerful on the forums.

[Dojacàt-moon-guard]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

To tackle ppl with alts masquerading as other people when it’s the same user.

Pretty easy to determine if it’s an imposter.

@Greatbrae-dalaran

To discourage some trolling attempts (trolling will still happen, but is less likely as people will know they are trolls more easily)

It wouldn’t discourage nor stop it.

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Stops Alt bumping.

Not a dire issue.

@Greatbrae-dalaran

And other reasons I have forgotten atm.

Wow this sounds like a super important topic in that case.

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Also with the poll, they can vote multiple times.

You think Activision takes the poll seriously?

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Also alt’s can like each other to inflate popularity.

Not a dire issue. Either you like something or you don’t. If you yourself are so easily swayed by a post with a handful of likes, then that’s on you.

@Greatbrae-dalaran

It’s rather an important topic

It really isn’t.

@Weidmann-stormreaver

Here is an example of what some of us want

“Current format opens us up to stalking!!!”

“We want our battle tags listed so people can spam add us, opening us up to actual stalking!!!”

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/838/Untitled-1.jpg

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

“Current format opens us up to stalking!!!”

“We want our battle tags listed so people can spam add us, opening us up to actual stalking!!!”

1 question about all these claims: how?

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Doness-kargath

So can Battletags leading to no more sockpuppeting and less trolling.

why would having battle tags keep people from trolling?

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

I agree we should have BTags on Forums.

I do disagree with the stalking bit, since… everything on the forums is public. It’s public infomation for everybody to view. Including Btags.

@Murdercarpet-zuljin

When they get called out for hypocrisy (or stalking other players) they project and whine that they should be above criticism, and everyone who counters their claims is “stalking” them.

So basically to them, it’s like somebody A calling somebody B a racist because they (B) countered that person’s (A) arguments and A has no argument and just goes with that. It’s just a label thrown around with no real substance or meaning. Hoping to ruin them because they speak the truth.

@Doness-kargath

I think Blizzard is trying to censor this topic.

If that’s the case, i have one of the threads up on Twitter.

[Weidmann-stormreaver]

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

“We want our battle tags listed so people can spam add us, opening us up to actual stalking!!!”

No people can not spam add a person via btags. The person being requested has to approve the request unlike current character-server where one person can add ones toons without a person knowledge.

Also how can btags open people up to actual stalking when there is no personal real life information tied to them and have been stated as being public names like twitter handles or gamer names

BATTLETAG

[PURCHASE BATTLETAG CHANGE ](javascript:void(0))

This name is your public identity in Blizzard games
Source:
https://account.battle.net/details#battle-tag

Also here is the Blizz support article on Battletags

BattleTag™

So if you were misinformed in the past about what btags can do , well I hope this helps .

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Pyri-shadowsong

which would be a big problem if the poll were something that mattered. it’s not.

They had a poll on here at some point about what mounts to release. What do you think happened?

@Bowflexbarb-antonidas

IMO, the forums are often a toxic environment

Yes and no, it depends on how it’s constructed and if they have a good team to moderate it. I had seen very good constructive forums in my lifetime, specially from a previous online game community.

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

Pretty easy to determine if it’s an imposter.

The fact we came up with ways to see it, proves it’s a problem, and is not the solution.

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

It wouldn’t discourage nor stop it.

It will actually, or at least decrease it dramatically.

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

Not a dire issue.

Oh how wrong you are. I seen the worst types of in the past, and the moderation does little to stop it.

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

Wow this sounds like a super important topic in that case.

Mira did a good list above on the other reasons. I am just lazy.

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

You think Activision takes the poll seriously?

Yes. Like they did with the mount poll.

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

Not a dire issue. Either you like something or you don’t. If you yourself are so easily swayed by a post with a handful of likes, then that’s on you.

Actually it can be, to inflate popularity on what is not actually popular.

@Dojacàt-moon-guard

It really isn’t.

Yes it is actually. But your free to have an opinion.

@Pyri-shadowsong

why would having battle tags keep people from trolling?

Easier to see their total history, which would conclude they are trolls and not serious posters. Hard to hide when your stuck on a single name.