Battlegroups?

[Evawyn-sargeras]

I dont remember when Battlegroups became a thing, but do you suppose we will have battlegroups again? I could see this bringing a nice healthy amount of people in bg’s at all hours, not saying it wont be that way already. Just wondering.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

I dont remember when Battlegroups became a thing, but do you suppose we will have battlegroups again?

That was at 1.12 when Cross Realm Battlegrounds were introduced. Battlegroups represented the co-located server farms and isolation groups involved in CRBGs.

[Desodeleter-medivh (Desodeleter)]

Battlegroups should be in place if they are trying to stay authentic to 1.12 vanilla wow. Complete cross realm didn’t happen until I believe wrath. I can’t remember the name of my battlegroup anymore but I knew it for years.

Beware though. There are a nefarious group of individuals out there pushing for server only BGs despite how detrimental it will be to queue times and the inherent problems of server only faction imbalance. We can’t let them corrupt our classic wow experience for the sake of their server only fanaticism. #Nochanges unite against these fiends.

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

“I want to afk without any repercussions”

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

“I want to afk without any repercussions”

“I want to sound like I have an actual complaint, when in actuality it doesn’t stand up all that well.”

And let’s be perfectly fair, on high/full all the time realms, CRBGs aren’t needed, but on low pop realms or realms where during non-prime time hours the pop is med or low, CRBGs really help with the queue times. I mean, how many people want to wait 3-4 hours between WSG, or be on a server where AV is impossible to even start in the 1st place because you never get enough people queued for it?

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

Roll on a high pop server then?

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

There’s very little difference between battlegroups and full cross realm BG’s. That said we don’t even know if they’ll have enough realms to fill out what would have been a battlegroup in vanilla. However since it’s 1.12 there will be some kind of cross realm BG’s.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

Ooo, clever argument. Not. Once I pick a server, that’s the server I’m on. I’m not going to reroll a month worth of leveling just because it ended up being a low pop server.

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

You can’t tell it’s going to be a low pop server after 2 or 3 days then it’s kind of on you.

There’s going to be dozens of census’ run within the first week to suss out what a low pop vs high pop server is.

You want a guaranteed high pop server? Look at where the classic subreddit is landing on when the server list gets announced.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

I remember the day cross-realm bgs were added. It was the end of me ever caring about pvp. Suddenly it was just fighting alongside and against random strangers. And sadly it’ll be in Classic.

It was also the beginning of the afk gang, since your reputation and actions no longer mattered. Oh well. I’m still excited about the pve side of Classic.

[Desodeleter-medivh (Desodeleter)]

There’s very little difference between battlegroups and full cross realm BG’s. That said we don’t even know if they’ll have enough realms to fill out what would have been a battlegroup in vanilla.

It’s really hard to believe there won’t be. Cause just 1 million accounts would be way more than enough. That’s like over 100 servers alone. There will be plenty of realms to link together. And I think there will be more than just 1 million accounts for classic. I’d expect complete cross realm (which wasn’t until wrath) before server only BGs. But there might be a server only option. I feel that few would take that and sit it queue for hours or days when they can just join everyone else and get into a game is 10 minutes.

I’ve seen people say stuff like they think there will only be like 1 dozen realms altogether. Do they think there will only be like 100k classic players? If that is the case then why is Blizzard even wasting their time then?

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

We still haven’t got clear confirmation of CRBG’s though its pretty likely. If we get Battlegroups, you’ll probably only find 3 for the NA servers. East, West, Oceanic.

I don’t really see it as a big “touchstone issue” for the community.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

There’s going to be dozens of census’ run within the first week to suss out what a low pop vs high pop server is.

Couldn’t care less.

You want a guaranteed high pop server? Look at where the classic subreddit is landing on when the server list gets announced.

No. I don’t want a guaranteed high pop server. As I said, once I pick a server, that’s the server I’m on. I’m not going to reroll just because it’s not a high pop server. To expect people to have to reroll to have the ability to actually do BGs on a consistent basis is kind of asinine.

It was also the beginning of the afk gang, since your reputation and actions no longer mattered. Oh well. I’m still excited about the pve side of Classic.

And yet the vast majority of people still pvped and didn’t afk in a BG from my experience.

This is just an excuse used to try to dismiss CRBGs as universally bad and say only people who want to AFK want them.

[Evawyn-sargeras]

I dont agree with you Ironsides. Consider that many people will start to play only to discover the game is not for them = starting pop decreases. Seriously it will take at least a month for a server to become stable, what level would you be by then? It would take a lot for me to pull up roots and move to another server.

There are so many variables you really cant predict on the first few weeks what sever pop is ultimately going to be.

You can’t tell it’s going to be a low pop server after 2 or 3 days then it’s kind of on you.

this is far fetched at best.

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

No. I don’t want a guaranteed high pop server. As I said, once I pick a server, that’s the server I’m on. I’m not going to reroll just because it’s not a high pop server. To expect people to have to reroll to have the ability to actually do BGs on a consistent basis is kind of asinine.

If you want to roll on a high pop server, you’ll get consistent BGs. If you want to roll on a low pop server, you get other benefits, but longer queues for BGs will be among them.

And yet the vast majority of people still pvped and didn’t afk in a BG from my experience.

This is just an excuse used to try to dismiss CRBGs as universally bad and say only people who want to AFK want them.

It was my experience.

The people that want CRBGs just want to remove the community aspect of battlegrounds. It’s basically LFR but with PvP.

I dont agree with you Ironsides. Consider that many people will start to play only to discover the game is not for them = starting pop decreases. Seriously it will take at least a month for a server to become stable, what level would you be by then? It would take a lot for me to pull up roots and move to another server.

There are so many variables you really cant predict on the first few weeks what sever pop is ultimately going to be.

And on average, those tourists will be spread around on every server. That is assuming there isn’t some open beta/stress test beforehand to weed out tourists.

You can’t tell it’s going to be a low pop server after 2 or 3 days then it’s kind of on you.

this is far fetched at best.

Check the queue times, check your census addon.

[Shinobe-nazjatar (Shinobe)]

you could afk in same server bgs too

i think reputation is being greatly over rated for classic, especially for pvp. anyone can queue for a bg whether people like you or not.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

If you want to roll on a high pop server, you’ll get consistent BGs. If you want to roll on a low pop server, you get other benefits, but longer queues for BGs will be among them.

Or blizzard will just add CRBG’s which were a vanilla feature and it won’t matter.

It was my experience.

The people that want CRBGs just want to remove the community aspect of battlegrounds. It’s basically LFR but with PvP.

For a lot of people BG’s are just a side game they play to kill time not the sole reason they play WoW. They don’t care if they might see the same faces occasionally as they’d rather just be in a BG and not in a queue.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

It was my experience.

The people that want CRBGs just want to remove the community aspect of battlegrounds. It’s basically LFR but with PvP.

Your experience doesn’t negate my experience.

And no the people that want CRBGs don’t “want to remove the community aspect of BGs”. Stop spouting this nonsense like it isn’t just a way to try to dismiss people who are okay with CRBGs.

You can complain about it all you want, but CRBGs do help with low pop servers, and not everyone wants to have to reroll just to be able to do BGs.

[Evawyn-sargeras]

Check the queue times, check your census addon.

1. you have to level to 10 to be able to bg and that is not a good cross section of battlegrounds to draw a conclusion.
2. your private server addons will not work in Live Classic.
3. Players that have paid their subscription fee are not “tourists” and have every right to come and go as they please. Same as the private server parasites.

[Vaenz-tichondrius]

CRBGs aren’t something I want initially, but they’re going to be inevitable if they stick with the original timeline. They’ll likely launch in the final phase with Naxx.