Leaving a battleground is not against the In-Game Code of Conduct. If you wish for this sort of thing to change, I suggest using General Discussion to suggest on making this sort of change.
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It used to be in the old tos before they removed the old tos lmao.
I didn’t know there needed to be a rule against it for most people to understand it’s a pretty bad thing. My bad.
Seems an increasing # of players need every single little detail of what they can and can’t do in fine print. Most people used to be able to infer that for themselves.
Not what was talked about.
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Even with rules people do “bad things”. What you are considering as bad others consider a good use of their time.
Yes, it was. If they got a queue to pop and chose to reject it, that is leaving a battleground.
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Seems to be what their actions in game revolve around… themselves and the narrowsighted pov that comes with.
What about other peoples time like the ones they left stranded in a 10v40? Well of course they never thought about them in their pursuit of their own gains per minute.
Idk if you want to cultivate a playerbase like that in a game they want to call a “mmo”.
You can’t leave something you never entered.
Yeah cause we don’t live in a perfect world and everyone is self interested.
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Sooo…what you and the other posters that have made topics in the last week or so have been doing?
It’s not currently against the rules. If you want the rules to maybe be changed, posting here will not help. But you all already know this.
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Like the threads in Customer Support recently about battlegrounds.
If you don’t want to participate in 10v40, drop the group and requeue.
Customer Support is a player-helping-player forum with Blizzard oversight and moderation. It is not a bypass to the ticketing system. It is not a contact point for GMs, QA, CMs, or Devs. It deals with CURRENT policy. The SFAs who post here are not liaisons with QA or the Devs. Talking about what you dislike about current policy and/or how you would like policy to change belongs in the Community forums, not Customer Support.
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What confusion? One posted that AUTOMATING joining as a group is against the rules. The other posted that counting “1, 2, 3, join” is not against the rules. The only ones who seem to have a problem understanding this are the ones who appear to want Blizzard to say that “1, 2, 3, join” is against the rules.
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Things like this is why this kind of thing isn’t useful at all. Making tinfoil hat ideas on why you’re not getting what you want isn’t useful as it’ll just spin into trying to support your own idea and not listen to what’s said.
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Because it doesn’t go with what you want. What does the words ‘just to be clear’ is confusing? Hitting the button at the same time isn’t cheating, against the rules or using some kind of bug.
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The OP is asking if dropping queues is part of that statement since the statement in question seems to leave the possibility of going beyond countdown queuing as being exploitive.
EDIT: People are asking about the current rules in reference to a generic statement made by a CS agent. Really seems like you’re allowing the queue syncers to stop us from asking for clarification of the rules. There was a recent example where something was defined as an exploit which just involved dropping group and rejoining, it’s not an obvious answer.
People report that their accounts are actioned for being on the same team as someone exploiting, it’s probably not the whole story but it brings into question whether if it’s an exploit we might get caught up in any possible account action so we just want to make sure to protect our accounts and the accounts of people not realizing it’s an exploit.
If it’s obvious, why not clarify? What did my post contain that it was deemed “trolling”? You’re customer service and your job is supposed to be to provide clarification of these concerns. End the rules debate one way or another, isn’t that part of the mission of this forum?
What more do you want.
Saying “1, 2, 3 queue” is NOT against the rules.
Leaving a BG or whatever they’re doing, for whatever reason, is also NOT against the rules.
How clear do you need it for you to understand?
Honestly.
You have been told how to send your feedback to Blizzard.
Please…
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The answer is no.
Queue-Syncing is not considered as an exploit.
Leaving queues or leaving instances is not considered as an exploit.
This has been answered so many times. There is correct areas to submit feedback on this, but Customer Support is not the place to submit feedback.
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Good Lord people, give it a rest.
Joining BGs with your friends via voice chat is not an exploit.
Dropping out of BG queue is not an exploit.
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The CS forum is an Information Desk. They can tell you what current policy is. They can’t tell you what the Devs intend for feature design, or what the Devs are thinking. They can’t tell you if the Devs may change a game mechanic in the future. CS does not make the rules and policies. Something may be horribly unfair, but it is up to the DEVS to change the game mechanics to address it, or change the policies to penalize it. This is not something CS can help with.
“Exploiting other players” has never been in the TOS. I think this is semantics however. Here is the original TOS for WoW from 2004. Exploiting game bugs to gain advantage IS against the rules and always has been. Counting 1-2-3 join or dropping queue are not exploits though. They are being jerks and it is unfair, but it is not an exploit. They are using the game features at currently built and intended. Dropping queue is not a game bug and dropping is not an exploit.
2004
Original User Manual from 2004 https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/template_resource/LO0VQ46XB1281555957773363.pdf - which has the EULA at the end. It points to the requirements for accepting Terms of Use with the website for it. I selected the first archived Wayback Machine TOU for WoW from 2004. I have copied out the relevant sections for you.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041217101250/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.shtml
H. You may not exploit World of Warcraft for any commercial purpose, including, but not limited to, performing “power leveling” services to other users of World of Warcraft for “real” money.
(i) You may not use or “exploit” errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or “program bugs” to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players
2024
Prohibited Commercial Uses: Exploit, in its entirety or individual components, the Platform for any purpose not expressly authorized by Blizzard, including, without limitation (i) playing the Game(s) at commercial establishments (subject to Section 1.B.v.3.); (ii) gathering in-game currency, items, or resources for sale outside of the Platform or the Game(s); (iii) performing in-game services including, without limitation, account boosting or power-leveling, in exchange for payment; (iv) communicating or facilitating (by text, live audio communications, or otherwise) any commercial advertisement, solicitation or offer through or within the Platform; or (v) organizing, promoting, facilitating, or participating in any event involving wagering on the outcome, or any other aspect of, Blizzard’s Games, whether or not such conduct constitutes gambling under the laws of any applicable jurisdiction, without authorization.
Cheating: Create, use, offer, promote, advertise, make available and/or distribute the following or assist therein:
- cheats; i.e. methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard (whether accomplished using hardware, software, a combination thereof, or otherwise), influencing and/or facilitating gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;
The terms are very very similar, if not the same in concept.
What you want is the Devs to re-design the battleground feature to prevent what you feel is an unfair situation. That is perfectly fine to want.
You just need to continue wanting that over on Discussion forums where the feedback will actually get to the Devs.
CS can not do more than tell you the CURRENT rules. They can’t change the game, they can’t make new rules, they can’t pass things on to the Devs for you.
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