Seems like Blizzard is purposely trying to sabotage classic
Is Ion that butt hurt he couldn’t make a better game in the 13 years since Vanilla?
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how about lets just make it so you can only pvp at level 60? just eliminate all other brackets, cus screw those guys.
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just goes to show you that Activision doesnt think anything through.
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We aren’t exploiting anything. In fact the vast majority of twink players are looking to play vs twinks, and have transferred already just to make that happen. Twink brackets in many regards are actually far more balanced than max level pvp, and make for a much more enjoyable experience than you will encounter at max level. There is also far less premading where as at max level you run the risk when solo queuing of 90% of your matches being unwinnable because you are versing a premade that sees you as a body to farm honor off of.
You have no evidence that this in any way is a step in the right direction, and are merely assuming that these changes will be favorable to you. Meanwhile we have evidence that changing something that isn’t in need of fixing historically has led to more issues, and we know for certain that this will have negative effects on all brackets sub 60.
You can keep hoping and holding out for being server famous, but as I said, the vast majority of players neither know nor care who you are after the game has completed. The community aspect of max level bgs is dead. Stop trying to kill it off for the brackets that still have some semblance of a community at present.
As far as stigmatizing alliance afkers, Blizzard has already implemented processes to ban afkers when they get mass reported for it. So to say that this change helps in this regard seems like a pretty far stretch. Other solutions more readily solve the afk issue, and thus the proposed changes to create battlegroups are still not necessary.
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You are saying this change “might” do something positive. Where as we know for a fact that it will have a negative effect on all brackets below level 60.
You seem to be the one struggling with reading comprehension. Just because it doesn’t negatively impact you, doesn’t mean it isn’t still effecting thousands of other players.
A lot of things are different in classic than to how they were in vanilla. Blizzard just keeps changing more and more things. Some of them are positive changes, but this is not one of them. To just suddenly decide to make new changes that fix nothing, yet create more problems for people who are playing this game sounds convincing enough for me to be against it. There is no discernible reason for them to suddenly create battlegroups, and the reason they gave could have easily been remedied without causing a massive disruption to all lower level pvp.
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So I guess I’ll just point out here that not everyone who plays low-level BG’s is a twink, and not everyone you see who’s level 19, 29, 39, 49, 59 is a twink. In fact, I’d say most are not.
I got my dungeon gear by tanking/dpsing normal dungeon groups. I get my BoE’s, enchants, and consumables by farming Stockades and by selling Mithril. I don’t have a perfect setup, but I have most of it. I also have a lot of fun, I play hard, and I contribute to my teams in the form of caps, returns, peels, and kills.
Since Warsong Gulch opened, I’ve met a great many players such as myself who are on their main characters, staying at those levels to enjoy the games and to work on faction reputation, practice the BG’s, meet people, and gain some honor in an environment that works for solo-queuers, and in which most matches are fun, competitive, and challenging.
I’ve played with and against several really good players, and there’s some in this thread that I recognize and have played with and against. Maybe the level 60 pool is big enough that you consider everyone else “randos” but at 49 you can expect to recognize about half of the characters in every BG. Again, some are twinks but most are not. Every BG starts with /waves and /salutes.
There’s going to be about half of the players that I recognize and enjoy playing with, which I won’t see again after tomorrow. But I’ll be in one queue, and they’ll be in another queue. Both waiting for twice as long. Those of us that play in the off-hours are going to be in a bad spot with this.
The community already exists, and it’s near-perfect how it is. Splitting the 60’s is probably fine, but splitting the low-levels like this is bad for a lot of players, and bad for the sub-60 community.
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Yep, this is the problem. You’re probably also the type to get mad at genuine low-levels queuing into your games - the people who that bracket was created for. I’d hate to be a casual leveling PvPer with how rampantly accepted twinking seems to be in Classic. Pathetic lol.
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For you only, at the cost of genuine low levels trying to casually learn how to PvP. Those guys are miserable in your twink games, guaranteed.
Wanting to fight the same horde that I compete with for resources in the world is “wanting to be server famous” now? You’re twisting my words to try to make them fit your own ends, which is very disingenuous.
How well is this process working out? In Vanilla, this was much less of a problem specifically because servers would put someone on blast if they were consistently AFKing. Again, a good thing.
Let’s make it so you can’t ruin the games for the casual leveling folk. Any attempts to say this isn’t occurring is also disingenuous - by definition, that’s what twinking does. Again, pathetic lol.
That’s my point
I don’t see how this conflicts any of the points I’ve made. It doesn’t.
Never said that, I do think twinks are bad for the health of the game. Also I never said I had a humble opinion lol…what?
Says the man who can’t even effectively argue any of my points.
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You have access to those resources via the AH at the very least, where the supply is appropriate to demand. For the alliance, on lopsided servers, the AH prices are ridiculous, given that there are barely any materials on, which cannot be farmed in instances.
You’re trying to exploit a leveling bracket so you have an unfair advantage - on either side.
This was the only point you made. My response to that was this:
Because the only rational argument you can make for the ‘abuse’ is that your gear is superior.
I can’t argue your points? That’s because your only point is so easy to counter that you don’t realize it happened.
That said, you’re only convincing me further that
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Far as I’ve been on forums, “imho” means “in my humble opinion.”
You meaning “in my honest opinion” is different, but I guess I find them similar enough.
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I’m in agreement with all of this. The 39 twink bracket has been growing a lot and the community is thriving on both horde and alliance. There is a healthy amount of twinks on Alliance and horde.
Queue times are longer on horde than alliance of course but not bad. But now horde queues may very well be unbearable and I won’t be able to play against so many rivals I’ve come across in the bracket because of the player base being split.
Unless there’s something I’m not understanding something and the lower level PVP brackets are split i will definitely be done playing classic since my only reason for playing was for twinks.
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I don’t rage at them as long as they are trying to win the game, then they are there for the same reason I am. To pvp. Stop making blanket assumptions that aren’t based in reality. Its a waste of time to even have to respond to them. Make a valid argument or be silent.
Its true. Despite what you may think, twink games are far and away the most balanced and most fun pvp in this game. I’ve played max level pvp extensively already. Just because it isn’t your cup of tea doesn’t mean it isn’t superior. Depending on the bracket things can get really interesting. Its fun running into the same friends and rivals each game actually shows we have the community you are whining incessantly about. Yet you want to kill it off? Seems hypocritical.
Also, all of the levelers I encounter are more than happy to play along with me, because I know how to heal and dispel, and play the objective and give valid feedback and advice on how to improve when they ask. The only one’s that are vocally against twinks are the ones that want to farm mid instead of playing objectively and find themselves constantly getting destroyed because they try to 1v1 twinks in midfield.
I assure you a leveling warlock that knows how to spam fear on a healer is far more useful than some idiot farming mid, raging about how unfair twinks are. I have no issue with any leveler that is there to win the game. You seem more like the latter type of player that will only whine about things being unfair while at the same time getting carried.
Destroying existing communities sub level 60 just because you have some vendetta against twinks is absurd, and your arguments to “justify it” are equally nonsensical.
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The abuse comes from using enchants or etc that were designed for max level play. This allows twinks to one shot other characters - even into the 49 brackets. Can this happen in max level brackets? Sure, but that’s how the game was designed - and rewards you for doing high “hard” content at max level. At this point, you’re expected to have a certain level of competence and affinity for how the game operates; you accept the RPS when it happens because you understand the game. A low level getting one shot, especially if they’re genuinely new to the game, does not. This leads to the phase-out of casual population - a population which distinctly benefits the economy of servers in Classic WoW. For instance, once Stalagg saw its casual population drop the economy became an absolute mess.
Was genuinely unaware it was ever interpreted as humble, to me it means honest. That’s my honest opinion, although I recognize it’s a brash opinion to hold on these forums.
Honest opinion is much different from humble opinion; they’re two different words.
I gotta say the realization I won’t get to play you guys anymore has me pretty sad. Always had fun in our matches vs you guys, and felt like it challenged me to keep improving my own game.
I definitely agree that watering down the player pool and lowering competition isn’t good for the game. I am gonna miss some of the EST rivalries I had going in WSG, hopefully something can be done to address the part of the community who still wants to play competitively.
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Look, just because I don’t agree that twinks are good for the game doesn’t mean I’m happy about the side effects this system is having on you. I just think it’s a worthy sacrifice for the potential good this can lead to - especially if used as a stepping stone into same-server BGs. That would be a great feature & I disagree with you when you say it would be impossible to implement. That’s my argument.
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Well I’m glad you’ve changed the argument. Clearly my response prior was with ‘humble’ in mind; I did not deny that once.
Glad I can stop replying though… I haven’t seen someone cling to their ignorance and change the topic so often in a long time.
See ya.
My argument is and always has been that this could lead to good things for the game. What lol.
Again you can keep with your “my twink Q” all you want, that’s not convincing at all. It WILL however be true to vanilla as it was back then and yes you will start seeing the same people at a higher frequency than we currently do(which is almost never, maybe one opponent will be from same server if any), if you’re splitting it in half and only picking from that half then yes you’re statistically more likely to see the same people more often.
You are complaining about them making changes but THIS is not the change, putting them all in one giant pool IS the change, if you have a problem with the Q on horde then maybe you should reroll alliance.
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Please revert the battlegroup change. It sucks.
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This is wonderful news. I’m excited to finally see familiar faces especially in 29 and low level brackets.
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