Bards make zero sense in WoW

You’re talking about a class concept that Blizzard didn’t even see fit to put into the TTRPG.

And they had a Trogg class in the TTRPG.

I don’t think Tinker fans have anything to worry about.

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And they should have to do it in Anglo Saxon:

" Hwæt. We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning. " - Beowulf

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As we all know, Azeroth does not have the concept of music or stories, and does not have travelers who use those to entertain, or bolster people.

Joking aside, I do agree that Bard would make better sense as a secondary profession. But Blizzard has a fairly bad track record with secondary professions and doing anything worthwhile with them if Archaeology is anything to go by.

Still, Bard could work. If not as a class, as a spec. I could see it as a rogue or hunter spec.

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I won’t then. I’ll just repeat that music has only ever been music in WoW. As dumb as I think Tinkers are Bards might be even worse.

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Feline fact checkers rate Veruu’s claim as false.

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Yeah, they’re incapable of adding a new concept to the game! Behold the unbreakable laws!

Oh, wait… is it a new concept? Not actually.

EDIT: I went thro a second time what you wrote. How in any heavens is a ancient Trogg class any relevant? :joy: Oh, Metzen sneezed in this very particular way, so the next class is a Sneezer. It’s set in stone now!

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It’s clear you lack imagination.

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Never did a lick of those things with an Evoker either before they showed up but here we are. At least bards have quasi-existed in WoW before becoming a class.

I mean… E.T.C is a literal hero in HoTS…

Can you prove its a good thing for WoW? I think thats just your particular opinion. For me I think its a bad thing they’re not around. Bards would be an excellent opportunity for another, rather different, class that can be a support class in all its specs. Which would greatly expand that system.

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stop with the nonsense of trying to justify it into gameplay. just make it where everyone can play musical instruments like in ff14 in cities etc. doesnt need to go beyond that

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I’m not a fan of augmentation, but now that we went down that road, i think bard is fine.

Musician Healer: play music to encourage augmentation or do healing. Let the healer do a bit of augmentation. Or split it like evokers.

Story Teller DPS: shout out minor healing spells or minor encouragement, plus ranged guns and bows, and swords. Swords shoud be better in mele than guns (I believe other classes should be able to use guns). They should prefer range, but mele is solid option.

Just give them two classes for starters.

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Originally it was about movies and films and games made from 2020-2023. It’s just not original or clever or adding to the discourse in anyway, just overly used internet slang at this point that’s bleeding into real life where it sounds wildly cringe.

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It’s relevant because Blizzard viewed a Trogg class more relevant for Warcraft than a Bard. :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

You fought alongside dragons and fought against black dragon experiments.

That’s where the Evokers come from.

I mean… E.T.C is a literal hero in HoTS…

So is Brightwing and Murky.

The point is that the ETC has never joined us in killing the Lich King, or helped us fight against Deathwing, or fought alongside us to take down Garrosh, etc.

And neither has any other Bard.

Can you prove it’s a good thing for WoW? I think thats just your particular opinion. For me I think it’s a bad thing they’re not around. Bards would be an excellent opportunity for another, rather different, class that can be a support class in all its specs. Which would greatly expand that system

How would they be any different than what we currently have? What makes magic intrinsically different than standard magic? Like I said, multiple classes the game currently have music and sound magic.

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i always thought it was weird how bard was the only d&d class they didnt adapt, we have:

warrior - fighter
fury warrior - barbarian
death knight - eldritch knight (fighter subclass)
ret/prot paladin - paladin
holy paladin- cleric
hunter - ranger
mage - wizard
evoker - draconic sorc
rogue - rogue
monk - monk
warlock/dh, kind of? - warlock can be both a pure caster and a gish but the melee kind doesnt really go around turning into a demon and firing eye lasers
druid - moon druid

bard has plenty of cool ideas and concepts that could work in warcraft, most often they are gishes or can lean purely into spellcasting or martial stuff and buff their allies. and aesthetically they could be like rogues but unlike rogues focus more on disguising themselves as entertainers and the like. there’s no strict thing where you have to sing as a bard, you can dance, perform feats of dexterity and agility (knife juggling,weapon tricks), using humor, and all sorts of things. there would be a lot of ways to express what a bard is and how versatile they are.

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Bard should just be a 4th rogue spec

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There were zero Evokers in any of that. Meanwhile there are currently Bards in game and they’ve been there since Vanilla in some capacity.

Or any Evoker as it happens. lol

This isn’t proof for or against Bards being a class or good for WoW. This is just you making a wild claim that, apparently, any new class wouldn’t add anything different than standard.

Its a pitiful concept for saying no to a class. At that point you might as well say; “Well we already have tanks dps and healers we don’t need anything else.”

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Supposedly Chris Metzen absolutely hated Bards.

That explains most of this.

Can you elaborate your reasoning behind this opinion? Tinkers have been around since the beginning. Gnomes/Goblins and even Legion and now Earthen all have a hand in creating a fleshed out class fantasy that’s apparent in every expansion. The fact they’ve been sitting on this obvious class contender for this long is bewildering.

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Shame it didn’t float to WoW, just like tinkers in warcraft I, II and III games.

What?? :smiley: This is just trolling man, I’m not willing to imagine you typed this out without intent to troll or annoy.

Where do these weird rules come from? The representative idea for a class must’ve helped us in the lore killing the major threats?

You do know that Blizz is fully capable of just simply adding stuff? They can create new lore next day and introduce a class out of that. There isn’t a secret wall full of rules, like no way. I can imagine it:

  1. Must be more favourable than Trogg class in our TTRPG
  2. Must stem from Metzens original lore
  3. Must have helped players ingame to fight off threats
  4. Must have atleast one representative hero established in the lore

Like what? If they’re willing to add tinkers or add bards they’re just gonna do it man :joy:

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Oh you’re one of those people who argue pedantic semantic nonsense instead of facts.

Got it.

Well just FYI, we got Evokers because Blizzard wanted to give players the ability to be dragons of the dragonflights. You’re free to believe that or not, it doesn’t change the facts.

This isn’t proof for or against Bards being a class or good for WoW. This is just you making a wild claim that, apparently, any new class wouldn’t add anything different than standard.

It’s a pitiful concept for saying no to a class. At that point you might as well say; "Well we already have tanks dps and healers we don’t need anything else.

In your opinion. I would imagine that Blizzard isn’t going to create an entirely new class when they can just give the new class’ abilities to an existing class.

They wouldn’t add Bards because Bards have never been showcased as a heroic aspect of Warcraft. In other words, there is no Bardic hero who has accompanied us on any major adventure or to stop any threat.

I mean, you kind of have to have major ties in the lore to show up as a WoW expansion class. Also your character is supposed to be a hero. Kind of hard to be a hero when there’s nothing heroic about a bard in Warcraft.

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