God can you imagine Tinkers doing that rocket launch mobility thing Gunlances could do in Rise / Sunbreak?
There are several points songs/music has been used. The most recent being the siren isle and the arathi and their singing crystal. Then you got whole siren enemies who use sound to hurt you.
We are getting a boss next patch that uses sound to hurt you…
Either way, we shouldn’t need 30 years of lore to introduce something new to the game. Sometimes you can add things cause they are fun or cool.
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Jaina even sung a song. She secretly moonlights as a bard, obviously. 
Why is every one of these threads a salty Hunter 
Hes neat! Also don’t forget Blight Boar!
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Blight_Boar
Been a couple bards off and on. Many aren’t even really noticeable. Couple more you find in a tavern or two in some expansions.
They have bards in game since Vanilla…
Since Evokers didn’t do any of this either then they meet your requirements. Bard is viable by your metrics.
Name anything? I wasn’t asked to.
You may also see above where this was taken from.
Also they are in the lore… and the game… and they are there for realsies.
No problem:
- Mekkatorque and Mech Jockies eject from their mechs.
- Gazlowe had upgradable turrets in HotS
- Mimiron combines his mechs to form V07TR0N.
Your turn with bards please.
And none of them are heroes or major characters. They are disparate NPCs at best.
Since Evokers didn’t do any of this either then they meet your requirements. Bard is viable by your metrics.
If Bards were based on a set of hero characters with tons of lore, sure.
Name anything? I wasn’t asked to.
Which translates to meaning you have nothing.
Typical.
Also they are in the lore… and the game… and they are there for realsies.
Then name any point in the history of WoW where they effected the lore in any meaningful way.
E.T.C.
Literally a hero in HoTS and allegedly quite the capable fighter.
So supposedly is the rest of the band. Same with the Blight Boars.
Evokers are not based on any hero characters with tons of Lore. All Evokers and Evoker lore is in Dragonflight. They have relatively little lore at all and it was all created for Dragonflight.
Do… you want me to give you a list of potential bardic spells and abilities? I can work up how I’d do the class I suppose, wouldn’t be the first time I’ve done that for a potential new class.
If you’re concerned about if they have abilities in game now, then again I point to evokers who did not have abilities before their creation, so that is either not needed or means that Bards meet your requirements.
They’re a major thing in the Darkmoon fair and often featured at Anniversary Events. Which…is all lore related.
But also where do you get this arbitrary requirement?
Also and I don’t mean to sound amused by any means but… Evokers had no lore related characters prior to their invention in Dragonflight.
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There is many bard weapon in the game. And there is a bard in the rogue hall class in legion.
So bards definetly fit in wow.
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I’d take pretty much any class over Bard.
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Where and when did ETC ever fight anyone?
Evokers are not based on any hero characters with tons of Lore. All Evokers and Evoker lore is in Dragonflight. They have relatively little lore at all and it was all created for Dragonflight.
Except they have abilities from Alexstraza, Chromie, Onyxia and other characters.
You know, the characters they’re based on.
Do… you want me to give you a list of potential bardic spells and abilities? I can work up how I’d do the class I suppose, wouldn’t be the first time I’ve done that for a potential new class.
Only if they come from actual Bards in Warcraft.
They’re a major thing in the Darkmoon fair and often featured at Anniversary Events. Which…is all lore related.
But also where do you get this arbitrary requirement?
Also and I don’t mean to sound amused by any means but… Evokers had no lore related characters prior to their invention in Dragonflight.
Because every other major character that brought a class into the game influenced the lore in a significant way. And yeah, people knew that Blizzard was going to eventually create a class based on the dragonflights. They were simply too popular to ignore.
The reason you’re stuck with the ETC in the Darkmoone fair doing essentially nothing for almost 20 years is because he’s not an actual lore character. He’s a spoof and a homage to some ex-Blizzard employees.
Think about it; What expansion could bring an ETC class into the game?
What Bard weapon? There’s some old clothes mainly from Vanilla, but that’s nothing to write home about.
I agree honestly 
… But that being said I wouldn’t be too bothered if they DID make it a class 
Personally I’d much rather bard than ‘Tinker’ as I feel like that’s just a glorified Engineer, lol
This however, I’d be fine with 
Make it a profession like Cooking / Fishing – Where you’re not required to remove a prime-profession slot to learn. 
Evokers do not share abilities with any aspect. They do use dragon magic though.
Bards would probably fall under arcane similarly but they’re at least a thing that actually would exist prior to it’s inception.
Since Evokers don’t share abilities with anything that’s come before them, this is a requirement blizzard does not keep.
Also for funsies can you point to any rogue heroes that existed in WC3? From whence thier abilities came from.
Except for Evokers. Who didn’t exist.
But he’s good enough for the heroes of HoTS?
You pick and choose seemingly at random what is and isn’t valid.
Theres at least two guitar axes that come to mind. Lol
Exuberance, Abundance, and Life Bind come from Alexstraza.
Blessing of the Bronze comes from Nozdormu.
Bards would probably fall under arcane similarly but they’re at least a thing that actually would exist prior to it’s inception.
Can you show me a Bard using arcane magic?
Since Evokers don’t share abilities with anything that’s come before them, this is a requirement blizzard does not keep.
See above.
Also for funsies can you point to any rogue heroes that existed in WC3? From whence thier abilities came from.
Warden> Fan of Knives and Shadow Strike
There were also multiple Rogue units that had stealth and poison abilities.
Except for Evokers. Who didn’t exist.
The characters they were based upon did.
But he’s good enough for the heroes of HoTS?
So where Murky and Brightwing.
You pick and choose seemingly at random what is and isn’t valid.
There were characters in HotS that were definitely class material, like Alexstraza and Illidan, and there were others that were not like Hogger and ETC. That’s rather obvious.
Theres at least two guitar axes that come to mind. Lol
Oh, you mean the ETC joke weapons. Got it.
There are bard npcs in several areas dating clear back to OG menethil harbor, a handful in bars and inns throughout the game. It perfectly fits wow.
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They make about as much sense as taking a profession and making it a class.
Where’s the hero and adventurer bards? Tavern workers with no abilities aren’t class material.
No they don’t… Everything about Evokers, while meant to give us dragons in a form palatable to Blizzard, was made up for Dragonflight.
Even the spell effects themselves were changed for them and new dragons and the dragon magics were solidified finally into what they are now. Even the abilities themselves are new.
And again since Bards already do exist and have since Vanilla, its not like this would disqualify them anyways.
The abilities of one of WoW’s bards. Russell Brower.
- Wedding Hymn - Plays a wedding hymn that restores the mana and health of nearby allies.
- Frostbolt
- Dark Song
- Chilling Song
- Peaceful Song
He currently has access to an actual mage spell which is Arcane magic. His other abilities while not directly stated to be so would likely follow a similar trend.
This took me three seconds to look up.
Evokers didn’t exist prior to existing. If they are based on dragons as you claim, then Bards already existing in game is enough for Bards to be viable.
Wardens are not rogues.
Can you point to a rogue in WCIII that was a hero class and has their existing abilities.
Bards have characters right now though… so if thats enough then Bards are golden.
Why do they matter? Brightwing by the way can be found in the Emerald Dream for Druids who are entering their Legion Hall.
Murky, while I don’t remember where he last showed up has been in game as well…
You pick and choose seemingly at random what is and isn’t valid.
At least one of em is attainable and according to Blizzard all available things for players are canon.
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Don’t know for a whole class but specs to fill the support role may work. There are totally gaps in some classes which can be filled with different specs and give people what they want.
All those abilities or mechanics I listed came from the aspects.
Even the spell effects themselves were changed for them and new dragons and the dragon magics were solidified finally into what they are now. Even the abilities themselves are new.
Exuberance and Abundance are exactly the same as they were in HotS.
And again since Bards already do exist and have since Vanilla, its not like this would disqualify them anyways.
It requires more than them just existing as random NPCs. Again, simply look at the other classes, all based on franchise characters with unique abilities. Meanwhile we have Bard NPCs with abilities borrowed from other classes.
The abilities of one of WoW’s bards. Russell Brower.
- Wedding Hymn - Plays a wedding hymn that restores the mana and health of nearby allies.
- Frostbolt
- Dark Song
- Chilling Song
- Peaceful Song
He currently has access to an actual mage spell which is Arcane magic. His other abilities while not directly stated to be so would likely follow a similar trend.
This took me three seconds to look up.
Yeah, Wedding Hymn is literally 2 priests abilities combined (Hymn of Hope and Divine Hymn). Frostbolt is a mage spell.
The rest are channeled versions of existing abilities. Dark Song for example just has Brower channeling a bunch of Shadowbolts at a target. Peaceful Song shoots a bunch of Druid Starsurges.
Whoop dee doo.
Evokers didn’t exist prior to existing. If they are based on dragons as you claim, then Bards already existing in game is enough for Bards to be viable.
Well no because Evokers are based on major hero characters while Bards aren’t.
Wardens are not rogues.
How are they not? They use shadow, assassination, poison, and throwing knives.
Bards have characters right now though… so if thats enough then Bards are golden.
None of them are hero characters though. That’s the part you keep missing.
You pick and choose seemingly at random what is and isn’t valid.
If this were vanilla WoW, which character would you honestly believe would get a class based on them; Hogger or Illidan Stormrage? 
At least one of em is attainable and according to Blizzard all available things for players are canon.
They would need to actually bring the ETC into lore for anything associated with him to be canon.
Evokers didn’t have any npcs at all.
So you don’t really have any actual argument here. Just arbitrarily deciding it doesn’t count.
Bards are based on Bards. E.T.C. Is a hero in HotS and has bard abilities.
He’s also a tank so I can confirm that Bards would have a tank spec, and given Mr Brower they would likely have a healing spec as well.
Unlikely blizzard wouldn’t give them a dps too so I now have a basis to actually design the class.
Well the plate armor for one. The spellbreakersesc magic they seem to use.
They’d be a spec of Spellblades.
They’re… Not rogues though by any means.
Because it’s not a requirement.
See Evoker.