No there would still be people talking in bg forums there would just be a lack of trolls and spam reports.
You can lead a horse to water , but you can’t make him drink. People these days lack greater thought and rely on a weakened rationalization process. It’s basically like the criminal saying it’s only illegal if you get caught………No it’s illegal all of the time, you just haven’t been caught!!!
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Once they are in they have the advantage of everything they tried hard for outside the bg.
The discord
The 13 healers
The coordinated consumable usage
The flavor class stacking
The target calling
Having it be a given that everyone is in full 528.
All of these things would require at least half an hour for a pug team to set up and the game starts in 1 minute… whoops.
Do they probably have someone making calls? Yeah sure but all the above already puts you so many miles ahead of the other team before the gates even open it’s not even funny.
Having everyone go from point a to b is not hard. The following team fight stomp is decided by all the external factors I listed.
I think asmongold said it well. “When you see people having to repeatedly try and overcome overwhelming odds you see people not queuing up”.
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class action - for wasted game time?
Because people not able to play a mode in a game they pay for because of exploiting cheaters is ok?
Makes no sense. UNLESS you mean a raid only faces another raid. So your raid sits in queue - probably a long one - until a raid of equal size joins on the opposite faction.
^Is this what is meant by “allow raid groups”?
If there’s no affirmative, what you want is raid groups queuing into solos/unorganized. Which again makes no sense and would even be a step backwards. lol
Yep, their lack of action on the subject speaks volumes. It really doesn’t matter what one of their employees happened to say 10 years ago, lol. There have been premades in epic BGs for several years and multiple xpacs. So yeah, I think you’re correct. Players need to adapt or just not play.
This may be correct but it’s never been such a huge problem. Instead of telling player to “adapt or just not play” maybe instead cheaters need to stop ruining the game for people.
Hi, hope everyone got lit up in epics 
-Happy 4th!
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So premades should be illegal because they are too coordinated?
That’s an argument only if you think that EBG’s should be nothing but deathball deathmatches that are decided in the first minute of the match but take 20 minutes to end and where 20+ people leave after the first teamfight.
I join premades to avoid that. I want coordination. I want to play the maps as Blizzard designed them and built them. I want tower economies in AV to matter, I want scrolls and buffs and frags to matter in Ashran, I want vehicles, workshops and turrets to matter in WG, etc.
The average Ashran you guys are advocating for is one where the winning team skillcheck is to see if everyone can go RoC. The team that splits loses. You guys actually think that any team exhibiting more coordination than that should be banned which is insane to me.
I really enjoy playing the game with people who care about objectives as much as I do. I cannot understand how me doing that makes you guys insist I should be banned and not able to play with my friends or a community of people who feel as I do.
The ironic part of this is that you guys are the ones calling premades toxic but I can’t think of anything more toxic than being such a collective group of sore losers. If you get rolled by a premade who engaged you in the Field of Strife in AV rather than the usual MO of running to the other end of the map waiting to see who caps towers faster, your reaction to that should be to get better and be more coordinated and try new strategies rather than to come to the forums and cry about everyone who plays better than you should be banned.
Premades made EBG’s better by raising the bar of coordination and only in premades do we see how involved some of the mechanics Blizzard built into EBG’s maps are, such as towers in AV or buffs in Ashran or buildings in IoC and WG. Anyone who thinks EBG’s are worse because of premades are simply wrong and should go back to normal BG’s that have few and limited mechanics. Asking for what little coordination that exists in EBG’s to be bannable is not the play.
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It’s not just coordination. We’ve already listed multiple advantages that premade raids have over a team of random pugs, but I guess you’re ignoring them.
Premade raids circumvent competitive restrictions to unfairly stack their team. They roflstomp pugs and drive players away from PvP.
Every time premade raids mass drop queue pops during their attempts to circumvent the system, they ruin yet another epic bg that starts with one team half-empty.
Premade raids are ruining epic bgs for everyone else.
Tell me you queue sync without telling me you queue Sync.
I actually just solo queue as a healer if I see a 5 man queuing and haven’t seen a single premade community doing queue-syncing with multiple parties other than RUIN and I’ve been in multiple communities and playing in premades for well over a year.
99% Of premades are just 5 man parties. Sometimes two parties will be in the same EBG, usually multiple groups queuing means single parties in multiple EBG’s.
I know a lot of you will find this very hard to believe; but there isn’t much point in 10 or 20 or 30 people joining a single EBG because even 1 party playing together and playing objectives and bringing leadship to 35 pugs is a 90% win rate anyway so almost no one bothers with syncing huge groups into the same EBG.
RUIN are the only premade I know who do that and that’s so they can orchestrate GY farms and prolong games to farm HK’s.
What in the world are you talking about? You’re just making stuff up at this point. It’s clear as day to anybody with a pair of eyeballs how many people are in these premades.
Epics are dead as we speak. Almost every game has around half the team leave once they realize it’s a premade, they’re not even worth queuing up for. Unless you enjoy graveyard stomping green geared noobs, but at that point you may as well just go gank low levels that are questing. It’s about the same challenge as a premade vs randoms.
This is the best way to play epics right now: Que up and get in game. If you’re vs a premade (which is almost always) just leave and que for skirms and shuffle until deserter is gone. Repeat ad nauseum until you get a non premade. So fun.
is there a reason you could’ nt learn pings?
This is the most shameless comment I have ever seen. Nothing but blatant lies.
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If you want coordinated play, go play rated bg’s that are designed for that. Stop making up bs baseless excuses as to why you should be allowed to exploit and ruin the game for others. Throwing around insults is just pathetic honestly. I haven’t seen a single person that’s against sync premades say they want insta run to boss epics or any of that. We want fair balanced fun fights. The running to boss started once premades became a huge problem because people wanted it over instead of getting gy camped by blatant cheaters that can’t even get to 1800 rating.
This is just a blatant lie.
Well, the rest of us have seen premade raids in epic bgs from various premade communities. We’ve also seen people from those communities posting in this forum about their premade raiding.
Besides easy wins/rewards and significantly increased win rates?
Then we should stop the few that do. They’re ruining the bracket for everyone else.
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If you haven’t see any communities syncing more than one group then you aren’t in any epic communities.
They all do this and typically can get 20+ into the same BG. They often won’t even take the queue if only one group gets the pop. Premades will even leave the BG they get into if they see the other side has a premade with 30 while they might only have 15.
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