Like I said, GDKP forces a culture of gold buying because pugs all require GDKP when it’s allowed. You might as well just quit the game if you’re not going to buy gold and join GDKPs. It’s a feedback loop of server destroying gold seller lead nonsense.
Meta always takes the path of least resistance. And when pay to win is allowed, that’s what the culture becomes.
I am actually surprised by how little gold buying was going on Post SoD opening when all the gold buyers (for the most part) had left Era. Its only in the last few weeks that I have seen some gold sellers and botters turn up, but its nothing like last year pre Nov SoD opening.
Overall Its a cultural problem of the players who buy gold and the lack of permanent account bans for the players who do by Blizzard. I am talking about account bans that are full battlenet bans and zero chance to recover from it.
I am fine that they come back again and again getting banned over and over until they learn its not acceptable.
I use to be opposed to GDKP also, and while I don’t frequent GDKP raids I do think they have their place and here are my reasons why I actually like them.
Sweatiest guilds I have ever been in are LC, so you don’t even get to go after offspec unless you’re god’s gift / hooked up with the GM because she’s near and dear / you owe her.
Only gold buyers seem to find gold buyers everywhere.
Most GDKP players enjoy that system because it is possible to raid WITHOUT buying gold. Whereas doing that on Era without gdkps is near impossible unless one farms all week.
But keep making stuff up, i’m sure it sounds good in your mind.
This is correct, and GDKP would be fine if Blizzard had a handle on bots and gold selling/buying. But they do not. And the system should absolutely not be allowed until they do. If they never do have a handle on it, then it should never be allowed.
And I guarantee, if there was no ability to buy gold in the game, nobody would care about GDKP.
It’s always funny when defenders of it slip up and accidentally admit how they don’t have time to farm, so GDKP is a great system for their schedules. Well how are they farming for all the gold? They’re not all perfectly flipping the auction house; and if they are, they’re using a bot anyway, so should be bad.
GDKP is nothing more then a massive catalyst to insane gold seller profits. That’s the only reason it gets talked about here and pushed.
This is the most false sentence.
Think about it - imagine if you had a BIS toon - why would you take it to a raid?
The big issue with anti-gdkp players seems to be that none have ever had a bis toon so they don’t understand what it feels like to go to a raid when you don’t need any of the gear.
Also I would posit 95% of anti-gdkp players have never been to a gdkp, because they say stuff that is just so false anyone that has gone to just one would understand.
They don’t have to farm because they GDKP and the pots from GDKP’s pays for everything…
Great, so botted gold gets funneled to them then.
This is where we disagree, I think GDKP is great for the use that you can basically pay for / save your DKP progress. This allows lateral movement of raiders if their timline changes; my biggest problem right now in respect to Raid PVE is that my play time does not line up well with any “Good” group that I am comfortable playing with.
What I mean is, I am not opposed to mishaps, wipes, whatever… BUT its also a 20 years old game and people should know to be prepared and at least try to play within 50% of their class capacity.
Contrast this to SR runs over the last year that I have occasionally grabbed; OMG there have been some just tragic play that I have seen in there. Its like when I zone into BG’s on a fresh character and people around me literally have no idea how to PVP, and worse they don’t want to learn and they don’t want to spec for PVP and then persist to cry about everything PVP related while in BG’s… Everything from Horde racials that are arguably strong but in reality just easier to use than allies racials that are also very strong IF you are playing smart.
No. Raiders move gold between them like a DKP system.
Many gdkp raiders will go months without bidding on items because they don’t need many items anymore.
You don’t see that behind your complaining eyes though.
I made ~10k in the last 4 weeks of classic before TBC launched going to a naxx gdkp and not spending any gold because I was fully geared from raiding with my guild that was on hiatus until TBC launch
That gold is all botted. Just because it’s being funneled to you in this way does not make it legitimate. In fact if I was selling gold I would run lots of GDKPs with big pots to give away to ensure the market for high value items will cost amounts of gold that are impossible to actually legitimately get.
That way I would be raising the amount that people have to buy after this first round to huge levels.
This whole system is a farce and ment to catalyze gold sales. And catalyze them huge.
I understand that there’s some people who prefer the system and think they’re using it legitimately (they’re soaking up tons of botted gold, botted exclusively for this reason, whether they know it or not), but such a system cannot be put in place until there’s a handle over botting and gold selling.
It’s as simple as that. As soon as they get a handle on those things, then GDKP can be introduce. But not before that.
How does running GDKPs lead to that?
More GDKPs = cheaper items because more will drop and thus less demand.
What does this even mean?
I don’t think you understand how GDKPs work.
The only thing you are accurate about is that all the gold get accumulated into the hands of raiders, especially naxx raiders. Because the rarest items in the game are from naxx and go for 10-100x the second best items quite often.
This makes it so that gold buyers generally DO NOT benefit from this system since the rarest items easily get into the thousands of dollars.
However, raiders that just show up each week, can easily get that much gold in a few months.
It rewards playing the game.
Incorrect. More GDKP means tons of more botted gold is being introduced into the economy. Much more than is introduced for people just buying their mounts and consumables on the auction house.
This is a sandard of inflation that no legitimate player can keep up with. So you have to buy gold, or be funneled botted gold non-stop through these gold bought pots.
Yes, with botted and bought gold. The gold sellers love it because they’re selling exponentially more gold than people who would just use them to buy their mounts. GDKP being allowed is like hitting the lottery for them in comparison.
And that’s why there’s a push for it.
But I’ll tell you what. If you want GDKP after naxx, go for it. Stale era servers can be P2W dystopias. I’m fine with that.
So then we agree that the auction house needs to be banned right? Yea or nah?
The things you list on the AH are being bought with bought gold. Are you for banning the AH?
If not, then case closed. It means you truly don’t care about RMT and are using RMT as a scapegoat to get a loot system banned you don’t like because they demand performance of you over SR pugs
“Rules for thee but not for me”
GDKPs do not promote botted gold. Because the gold gets accumulated by the raiders they don’t need to buy it for consumes and such. And bots create so little gold, it isn’t profitable to run them on Era.
This is why SoD kept all the bots when they banned GDKPs. The players that are buying that gold aren’t the ones who are successful in GDKPs.
Anyhow - devs saw exactly what happened when they listened to their toxic community and banned GDKPs in SoD. They learned their mistake and won’t make it again.
Doesn’t matter. Have you ever sold any items on the AH? You inherited bot gold
If you want gdkp banned you must also ban the AH. You said you don’t want anything promoting gold buying and means to push it around
If you don’t want the AH banned it’s because you truly don’t care about rmt. You just don’t like gdkps
It’s hilarious you think because they are incapable of designing good content for vanilla that it must be GDKP that did in SoD.
Of course we know you don’t actually think that. It’s just a convenient cope.
But like I said, they can have GDKP on stale servers that are over a year old. Go for it. Enjoy your P2W paradise. I’m not heartless. Make your living.
But it should not be on fresh servers.
No.
They saw gold buying increase from GDKP ban and they saw that the most toxic part of the community remained.
SoD turned from a passion project to a way to quarantine those players.
Unfortunately as you can tell from Era forums this past week, some are leaking out.
It really isn’t tho.
I guarantee you a sod era would be dead in 6 months once everyone is fully geared
Now let’s address the banning of the AH.
Are you in agreement?
Of course it would be. A fresh server only lasts maybe 4 or 5 months. That’s perfectly normal. After that it’s just a stale ghost town.
If you want GDKP after a year, by all means. They should be rolling out a new fresh way before that anyway.
GDKP has no business on fresh servers for at least 8 months I would say.
The way they should retire servers is by bringing in new ones is by introducing GDKP to the old ones. And then the fresh one doesn’t have it. That can be the cycle. Probably a good compromise. Make your living.