Baine being wary and even hateful when it comes to the centaur, as opposed to how he treats with the Alliance, makes sense. And honestly I’m really glad they’re addressing that and giving him some bite. Hell, I’ve often headcanoned that the reason Baine is so gung ho about peace and making friends with not only the Horde, but the Alliance in part, is because he’s trying to make sure the state of his people before Thrall found them never, ever happens again.
I’m not sure of his age but I’m fairly sure he’d have grown up in a time when entire tribes of Tauren would regularly be wiped out by centaur. Protracted, constant warfare and being hunted over the course of possibly decades… and the guy does have pent up rage, we’ve known that since MoP. He just keeps it throttled down to the nth degree because it doesn’t serve his people.
Seeing those people killed by centaur again, so far from home? Yeah he’d snap for sure.
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More than that, he himself was a kidnapping and almost-murder victim of Kalimdor centaur before the orcs showed up, so he’d have childhood trauma around this. Bovan Windtotem, the tauren Baine fails to save, was one of his rescuers from back then.
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Yeah, so even more layers there, this is good. My only issue is that I wish they’d done something like this with the Kalimdor centaur, as opposed to this new variant of centaur who aren’t even from the same origin as the other ones. But, I’ll take it.
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I didn’t associate it with Worgen. Maybe I worded it wrong, but I associated it with Draenei, Wildhammer, and KT humans. I meant that, in addition to those themes that would ostensibly be more Horde related, the Alliance also does not have a problem with races that fall outside of conventional standards of normality like the Worgen, and tangentially related to that, the Draenei and the tentacle elves.
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Yeah, I’m not trying to start anything with this. It’s just I love the Broken Isles and Dragon Isles, they’re probably my favorite landmasses since Northrend. And it really sucked when I found out the HM and NB were joining the Horde but no one on the Isles was joining the Alliance.
I originally thought that they’d give us the Farondis ghost Elves in Azsuna and the Vrykul or Valajar to balance it out. The Ghost Elves would’ve given the Alliance an undead race that had a connection to the Night Elves and weren’t as “gross” as the Forsaken. And the Vrykul would’ve joined due to the human connection, stopping Sylvanas from enslaving the Valkyr, and our honorable victories against Helya, Skovald, etc would’ve shown our strength to the Vrykul. Or fully give Val’sharah to the Alliance, I know a lot of people consider it a druid zone, but it’s obviously super Night Elf heavy with the main town, the Elune temple, there’s even a Gilnean town.
But yeah, maybe you’re right about the tree being grown there. I just don’t really get why they’d grow it there specifically, on the Dragon Isles instead of somewhere else. The Dragon Isles just seems like it’s the Dragon’s home and therefor the ultimate neutral landmass. I think it would make more sense for Val’sharah to become a full Night Elf zone or for them to grow a small tree near or even in Stormwind to house their people. In one of the books it said the amount of Night Elf refugees seemed to cover every surface in Stormwind and spilled out all the way to Goldshire. They could grow a “small tree” where the farms are near the embassy in Stormwind, and the Night Elves still in Kalimdor still have Ashenvale, Darkshore, Hyjal, Winterspring and whatever they have left.
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Oh, I see.
The draenei and worgen are a weird case in that both were meant to be attempts at giving the alliance a more bestial-looking race and aesthetic inversion in the same way blood elves were for the horde. IIRC, Metzen even hoped worgen would pull horde players away from the faction because of it. And worgen were supposed to be the alliance’s equivalent to Cata-era forsaken.
But that never really materialized, and now the alliance has a race that’s supposed to be virulently infectious to two of their core member races but nobody has a problem with them being around. I actually find that to be a problem in and of itself, because if you can just throw Literally Anything into the alliance and everything turns out fine, then there’s no reason for the horde faction to exist at all. And that also robs the alliance of stories of inner tension as well. But then again, some players prefer that so 
You probably noticed I use a lot of “should” instead of talking about what’s there. It’s because Blizzard still wants to sell the horde faction as outcasts and unjustly mistrusted and all of that, except that’s not really feasible. So I just write based on what they claim is the intent.
Yeah, I get that. Personally I HATED seeing the Nightborne join the horde because I felt the last thing the faction needed was more elves. It also felt like the game retroactively going “hey, now you should have a connection with this!” after I had already gone through the content feeling factionally-disconnected from what I saw as zone #3 out of 5 of night elf historical content.
I’m not really keen on tauren settling on the Dragon Isles either, and I’d have preferred any new nelf tree get grown on Kalimdor (if just for the selfish reason that I wouldn’t have to look at it in Dragonflight) but I’ve kinda given up and accepted it as inevitable at this point.
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No they didn’t. The Horde did that since we have quests for it.
It shows he is a hypocrite. He only cares when he is personally affected while ignoring the crimes the alliance commited against the Horde especially by Jaina.
With Bovan gone another prominent Horde character drops dead to appease the alliance war mongers.
Shadowfang Keep literally belongs to the Bloodfang Pack
It belongs to the Forsaken m the Bloodfang pack are savage beasts who need to be put to the sword.
You can think whatever you want, it’s still in the hands of the Worgen 
They’re just that superior
Alliance bias saved you in Bfa. Without Golden and Danuser you have nothing.
I’m sure you honestly believe that.
Well tauren aren’t actually cows but a humanoid race who resemble minotaurs so since Baine gave Anduin a piece of his horn but has since been shown with his horns fully intact the inference should be that Tauren horns grow back (barring maybe if they’re cut off at the base since that would be bone getting sheared off).
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bacon
retaking Gilneas
…you already dug up the whole backyard and buried bones in it!
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He was never shown with a broken horn because Blizzard updates custom models once every 4-6 years at that
Be serious
Golden needs to be explicit that the horn grows back, and I’m confident her intent was that it doesn’t
Native coded characters giving pieces of their body is cringe at best and an invocation of a long and horrid history I’ve already named at worst
And I’m confident she didn’t care/know one way or another. That ultimately people are focusing on something that was not suppose to be the focus.
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Yes, her incompetence is well known and documented as we all are aware
As I mentioned repeatedly, Native coded characters giving their body parts is inappropriate
Could’ve and should’ve been something more culturally relevant and important to Baine, eg a beaded representation of Anshe, mayhaps one his mother made him during his first ceremony of some sort
Oh, see, now, the correct answer there would have been “I realize Horde players aren’t a monolith, and just because I know some Horde players who feel that way, I shouldn’t generalize. Especially when other Horde players on the board are telling me the opposite.”
That’s just not true. Lor’themar hasn’t tried to start multiple wars, and people don’t call him an “Alliance character.” Same goes for Rokhan, or Vol’jin back in the day. Same went for Thrall and Cairne.
Maybe, maybe not. But even if you’re right about that, Cairne still was never a warmonger Alliance-hater. If all Horde players cared about was getting to be villainous and hate on the Alliance, Cairne never should have become popular at all, no matter who his son was.
Others have covered the history of Horde priests in other posts. But the Horde also has never had an organized Light-based religion like the Church of the Holy Light, and there certainly has never been a Horde character who actually glowed like Calia does.
Please go back and read what I wrote. Calia, Derek, Sira, and Delaryn are all different from regular Forsaken in significant ways. That was my point.
No. None of those are Alliance themes.
But honestly, all this talk about themes is only half the reason why Calia and Baine feel out of place. The other is that their stories are more bound up with the Alliance than with the Horde. Their Alliance friendships are emphasized over the Horde ones. In Calia’s case, her Alliance background is emphasized in ways that don’t apply to the average Horde Forsaken. Not to mention that she basically looks like a human death knight.
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