Because we have PI, and they won’t let it be part of our meters like Aug, we have to suck. I don’t mind playing support, but you should let the community be aware of it lmao.
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Just want to add a note to your post as you’re quoting me that those are my opinions and not necessarily Blizzard stance on this.
Your opinion is very well thought, logical, and I see no falacy in the conclusion. And I also agree we aren’t weak, but the communities perception is spriest is. Because of the small pool in m+, and mythic raid average players believe the spec to be dumpstered.
When 90% m+ and heroic raid put it middle ground with PI. Do you know how many of my guild members know I can PI them and myself? Just the ones I told.
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Council members don’t speak for Blizzard.
Blizzard is obviously aware of the problems with Shadow as they just received multiple dps buffs back-to-back.
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Whilst receiving a nerf to aoe that negates it completely. His logic is good, the likelihood of it being false is so low, it makes sense from a game dev, class design, class fantasy point in every way. It’s even that way in sod.
We only look bad on mythic logs, it’s a small pool.
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Damage isnt everything, it is an unpopular opinion and I too like to top meters, but more important than that is satisfaction of playing the spec, the feel of it and almost nothing feels more unsatisfying then w8ing for shadow crash cd to come up cuz the pack died so quick, or pull being more then 8 mobs cuz lots of it is small adds that will die quickly and they eat up some of your shadow crash dot applications.
Simply put there are only 4 things that needs to be done yesterday:
- Uncap Shadow Crash
- Add somewhere in the talent tree reduction of Shadow Crash cd based on targets hit
- Cap Psychic Link to 8 targets
- Dispersion and Silence made baseline for SP freeing 2 talent points
There so simple yet so elusive for some unimaginable reason, now shadow priest is 500% more playable in every type of content be it normal dungs, delves, solo ,m+ whatever, damage can always be tuned and things like scaling of flash heal which is ridiculously low and PW:S but those listed things are what would instantly make the spec way better.
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Shadow isnt balanced around PI. If it were there would be no point in it existing because you don’t bring anything special. Power Infusion being something Shadow isn’t balanced around is the only valid reason for it to exist.
The unfortunate truth is that Shadow sucks early expansion until they overbuff it halfway through the season and then ultimately nerf if after second season. This has been the case since BfA and does not appear to be changing anytime soon.
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I would say Shadow’s raid issues aren’t its single target and instead moreso that the type of damage that’s relevant / necessary for progress is something Shadow’s current iteration simply isn’t capable of, regardless of how tuned their output is. Ovinax for Shadow is an embarrassment, and the constant mobility creep that seems to have affected every caster except priest this expansion is only adding to it.
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Yea I think they’re having a hard time to balance Shadow cleave right, balance has went up and down too much, finer tuning should be used more incrementally.
As far as mobility I’m surprised they haven’t found anything to add to the priest kit, even dks got their horse for dps spec.
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Honestly at this point unless shadow is legitimately grossly overtuned I don’t really think it has a place in HoF Mythic raiding anymore because of the ramping requirement for mobility and mechanic cheesing.
3 out of the last 4 tiers it was real, real bad, and the one it wasn’t it was grossly overtuned.
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To be fair I feel that’s the same for pretty much everyone, most often for every class you’d want to bring 1 for raid buff and I doubt there will be a raid tier where you’d want no healing priest.
See, this right here. You said healing priest and not a dps priest. Goes to show how bad shadow really is when healing is more beneficial to the raid.
They just need to rework priest all together like they did for shamans, but i suspect that won’t happen till next expansion sadly. Shadow priest is in a sorry state at the moment sadly. Some logs show aug evoker beating shadow priests which is incredibly sad.
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That’s just how it is for any class with multiple roles it’s not really priest specific. You need to be stronger than other specs once your raid buff is already in and that can’t be everyone. Shadow had its ups and downs, maybe a bit more extreme than other specs.
It’s awareness. The mythic logs( world 1st is represented and did not run spriest so it’s skewed, overall logs having a vast spread of damage dealt I doubt it’s even a bell curve, and pi have people very confused about the spec and it’s performance.
It feels like the 99% logs for heroic, or the mythic +. Square in the middle. Making people aware of the situation is vital for blizz, this is kind of funny, but also sucks for me because pugs believe I’m terrible, vs the actual 1 mil DPS overall I do.
Healing priest has this problem, too. When shadow is great, the reasons for taking a healing priest plummet. We see their participation drop pretty heavily every time Spriest is meta.
And really any class.
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…right, because you don’t see the problem in raids being forced and strongarmed into bringing extremely flawed classes and specs just because they have a raid buff.
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Idk what some of yall are smoking but Shadow is absolutely undertuned.
Getting out DPS’d by people 5-10 ilvls under you is not fun. Defs not an L2P issue as Im logging and checking parses, doing well, but still getting out DPS’d.
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I’m topping out at about 600k DPS on single target fights. The top guy is doing about 1.2m DPS. Even if I’m giving him 4% extra damage with PI and that showed a my damage, that would move me from 600k to 648k. It’s not enough.
I feel okay if there are several targets and I get the chance to use my full set of DPS tools during the fight but if Shadow Crash is down or the enemies die too fast, if more adds show up or it’s just one boss fight my DPS goes from being towards the top to lower middle of the group (and I’ve been the highest item level of the group each time I’ve had that experience).
So, while it would be nice if PI showed up as damage I have done, that extra 48k DPS isn’t enough to change my feelings about how Shadow Priest is performing.
I’ll reiterate my point from other threads. Mind Blast and Shadow Word: Death are missing about 300% damage. Void Torrent is missing about 150%. Dp is missing about 30%. Nothing we do is hitting hard enough and our flurry of mediocrity doesn’t come fast enough to justify it.
Really? I top at 1.5 mil and average 1.1 on single target