I noticed a trend I think is interesting to ponder. Since DF Azeroth has acted to hijack the Aspects (and ergo the flights themselves) from the control of the pantheon, and now in TWW she has hijacked the reawakening earthen of Khaz Alagar through Magni.
This has made me wonder if she has decided that she is done being a hapless prize to be won and is actively working to put her own pieces on the game board. Makes me quite curious what moves she might make next.
This is a neat observation.
I hope it’s true.
Oh I very much believe that Azeroth has been systematically destroying anything that has attempted to influence her. We started it with kicking out the Legion, and with Sargeras’ sword. There’s Disorder down. Then in BFA we cleanse the last Old God, dealing a blow to the Void. Presumably the Void will also be dealt with during the World Soul Saga. In Shadowlands we stopped the forces of Death from claiming Azeroth. There is already some stuff sprinkled around like Elun’Ahir and the Harronir pointing at Life. We’ll also likely deal with Order and the Titans in The Last Titan.
So right there we have evidence of Azeroth actively working against Disorder, Void, Death, and Order. It’s possible we may have something to do with Life at some point. And with the whole Xe’ra light assaulting, and the Lightbound, it’s likely the Light is not as benevolent as it wants us to think and will make a play for Azeroth as well.
So that means all six cosmic forces are at play, and Azeroth herself seems to want nothing to do with any of them, barring possibly Life. She’s using us like a cleanse and we are flushing her clean.
This is deep. Like, deeper than this xpac already is, deep.
But honestly, ive thought this recently as well, that Azeroth herself is sick of the nonsense. Perhaps its like a force type ordeal we have going on. Everytime the dark gets darker, the light gets brighter (weird that lighter doesnt work here as well lol) and so the cycle is inevitable.
The Void during Midnight might be a bad sign. 
Definitely makes sense. Azeroth being tired of everyone’s bull.
Yeah, I feel Azeroth is pretty much playing on her side now, and we will probably be helping her.
Where do people keep getting the “control” thing from? The Titans just gave the Aspects a bunch of thematic magic powers and assigned them some stuff to watch over in their absence. And not arbitrary stuff either but stuff that is very worth keeping an eye on for everyone’s sake.
Yet everyone talks like the Titans were using mind control or something.
DF established they were kinda putting ordered mind control juice in the water to make the dragons more manageable. And in the book the Aspects are afraid if they do not do what the Keepers order of them they will be punished.
Seriously? That’s lame. I get the new writers are trying to demonize the Titans but the “why” eludes me.
I liked them better when they were super god beings who considered us to be so insignificant that they installed a “end all life on the planet if things get weird” button. But not because they were malevolent control freaks but because they were so far above us and looking at such a bigger picture that our mayfly lives weren’t really worth considering in a worst-case-scenario situation.
They want to preserve and foster life in the universe just not at the expense of a world soul for obvious reasons.
The funny thing is that, IIRC, that wasn’t even meant to be treated as a bad thing. Danuser compared it to how the government puts fluoride in water because it improves overall dental health.
I remember the fluoride comment, but I didn’t know the context. That is funny.
I guess it comes from having multiple writers working on a project, but the varying intentions lead to so many contradictions. I feel the Arathi are a good example this expansion.
So I did one of those Earthen plays and it was about Archaedas putting a watcher in charge(future boss material). Said watcher abused the Earthen and they revolted with him being tossed into a portal while swearing revenge with his sister. Archaedas ultimately approving the revolt and promising never to put someone horrible in charge.
My point is that seems to be the trajectory of the Titans, no I don’t think they are evil but like everyone else some may have evil intentions. As of right now it has been affirmed they want to protect all life, the only question is at what cost? If Azeroth is the last best hope against the void lords, will we all be expendable pawns if it means Azeroth can remain a titan?
I feel like Azeroth, will probably be the Titan of “Balance”, that she is the penultimate representation of “reality” in the universe. It somewhat goes off of the Magic chart, so I can see why people wouldn’t agree, but think about it. Azeroth as a planet houses all kinds of different life forms on the surface, and deep underground, all owing some sort of allegiance or alignment to some power or another.
It’s also narratively cohesive, I feel, with the themes Warcraft has shown since WC3.
Think their reason is going for the “every extreme cosmic force outside of Azeroth is evil!” They’re turning Aman’thul into an extremist, and Eonar as probably the voice of reason. It seems repeated for all the other forces. X’era for extremist light, and A’dal for voice of reason, etc.
That or the simple Warhammer style of everything not on Azeroth and is part of the Cosmic scale is now an extremist evil.
I think it is less the cosmic forces are evil, and more they are… cosmic forces. They obey a sort of compulsive logic that mortal beings do not. The Pantheon is bound by a compulsive need to make everything tidy, orderly, sterile*. Mortal beings are none of those things, so… they have killed planets trying to make a square peg fit a round hole.
*Except, perhaps Eonar. Elune’s influence on her seems to of caused her to become deviant to the rest of the Pantheon. Something she seems to be secretive of after the Elun’ahir incident.
With the added touch of the whole “you are like ants to us” higher being thing. They have their own plots and machinations, and the mortal races might be useful pawns now and then, but there’s no serious thought about them as important. The Titans may make constructs to maintain their stuff, but as we saw in wrath, and the stuff that released after launch, they have no qualms about killing them off if they don’t work as intended, either globally or locally.
That’s not at all what DF showed. DF had Tyr explaining that there was corruption in the dragon eggs under Uldorus and he had figured out a way to cleanse that corruption away. He also was writing that memo to Loken essentially saying “Here, Loken, I found a way to cleanse this corruption.” while possibly not understanding yet that it was Loken who allowed the corruption to start with. And that same Tyr letter essentially did a mimic of that scene in Hunt for Red October where the U.S. Senator is talking to the ambassador of the U.S.S.R. and the Soviet ambassador is humbly holding his hat and smiling to the senator humbly saying “perhaps in the future we can investigate this crash site for the lost submarine and try to figure out what happened” …where he may or may not understand the U.S. Senator was in on the plan that stole the submarine anyway. Only flip the villains and protagonists…because in our case we had Tyr writing to Loken saying perhaps in the future we could investigate further why there was Yogg-Saron corruption in the water of the eggs that Tyr had to cleanse in the first place. But Tyr seemingly never got a chance to do that investigating…because in the intervening time Tyr had to flee and Loken was trying to kill him.
I still don’t know why people have not digested the Xe’ra incident, seemingly. The actions of Xe’ra in the rejection of gift cinematic is not at all what “The Light” wants. That was an exception and violation of what the Light normally gets used for… and Velen points it out immediately after it happens. Moreover, we learn later that it was Lothraxion who was a spy for cosmic Death that was tricking Xe’ra into believing a prophecy about Illidan that was not true…and getting rid of her so forces loyal to Death could bypass her.
We don’t have any evidence of the world soul inside Azeroth working against Order. Quite the contrary…everything she told Magni about and told us the champion about in that pre-legion ulduar scenario tells us that the Azeroth World Soul likes Titans and wants Titan machines to be working and healthy and in good operation, and she likes and wants titan constructs like earthen to be operating as they were intended. No, I think your list should remove Order and instead put Life in there, which has been shown to be an enemy of us mortals and also an enemy of the Azeroth World Soul. In addition to being an enemy of Draenor, which didn’t have a world soul.
That is not at all what the algalon message was about. The reorigination failsafe was a last ditch emergency treatment if the corruption existed that would cause ultimate suffering to all the mortals living on that planet. Like a chemotherapy treatment for cancer. Yes, it is an extreme treatment…but it is never meant as a hatred of the patient, it wants the patient to survive the removal of the corruption. Reorigination “puts back” the mortal life forms that it had seen corruption in. Fel never does that. Void never does that. Death never does that. Life never does that. Light never does that. Order has been enduring their own sufferings and setbacks and defeats to defend our existence and flourishing the entire time. They even say so in their own biased accounts of their own goals.
I am not going to bother debating you, but this is addressed, again, in War of the Scaleborn. But I know you do not consider books canonical so… you do you.
Books aren’t canon… but that’s irrelevant to the point; I’m talking about the Tyr memos to Loken… the ones in game. Which you misrepresented. You’re violating the in game lore based on your preferred head canon about Tyr. There isn’t any need for any debate, because the lore says otherwise, I don’t need to debate anything.