The ego you must have to think that your ideas can somehow improve the best game of all time.
Come back to reality.
This only reason to be against theses #Somechanges was because you were planning to get arena boosted and free PvP gear.
Good arena players will never complain to feel more âuniqueâ
Btw iâm bad in PvP and a #Nochanger but i find it great
The 2050 weapon was meant for Sunwell equivalent weapons in S4 when the pve content was actually difficult. 2050 is not the same skill set as closing your eyes through kara.
S1 and S2 should be 1800 weapon, 2000 shoulders. Season 3 is where pve started to become a bit more difficult with BT so if youâre going to make any adjustment you can probably start there. Sunwell should be 2050 weapons.
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I was planning to PvP casually and try to enjoy it without worrying about it, and get enough points to at least get the S1 Glad offhand. Maybe Iâd keep dabbling because itâd be something different.
Now I may not do any PvP at all.
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There shouldnât be any rating required needed for any of that, as that sort of arena/gearing system was only introduced in Season 3.
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I believe rating requirements came out in season 2. Iâm fine with no rating in season 1 and just achievements or with the season 2/3 rating breaks. Iâm not fine with Sunwell tier rating requirements of 2050 when Kara is the main content which you can blindfold all 10 members and beat.
Rating requirements were added in S3.
Rating Requirements for Shoulders and Weapons were added in Season 3.
Rating Requirements for OTHER PIECES were added in WRATH.
This is a WotLK change.
Season 4 for sure had rating requirements on almost everything.
Season 4 made Season 3 Shoulders: 1950; Season 3 Weapon: 1800
Season 4 Weapons were 2050 and Season 4 Shoulders were 2200
Clear as day I remember this because I literally existed in the era I broke all of these barriers.
LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE REQUIRED RATING UNTIL WRATH.
Youâre partially right. Season 3 weapons went from 1850 to 1800, shoulders went from 2k to 1950.
Below is from the official changes, you can google them for yourself.
The new Season 4 items will have the below personal and team arena rating requirements:
Shoulders: 2200
Weapon: 2050
Head: 1700
Chest: 1600
Legs: 1550
Gloves: none
Off-hand: none
In addition, some of the Season 4 quality items that will be purchasable with honor will also carry a personal and team arena rating requirement:
Boots: 1700
Ring: 1650
Bracers: 1575
Belt: none
Necklace: none
Trinket: none
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Big wrong. 
The rewards for pvp are the title and mount. More than sufficient.
OTHER wise everyone should have equal access to pvp gear. Enjoy being on the 2050 bubble and facing teams who actually have good pvp weapons.
This change actively discourages a wider audience from even trying to play the game, which then hurts everyone. Less bad people in arena? Oh, well, get stuck facing teams who have been playing arena for the last 15 years and never stopped. Get stuck facing meta comps one after the other.
It also punishes off meta classes more than meta classes. It further enforces the meta of arena to be played. Rather than be experimental. Iâve reached 2050+ in all brackets in the original TBC. Itâs going to be much, much harder this time around. Players have improved significantly, and retail players are going to want to do the TBC arena.
The rating requirements donât actually make the game better or more rewarding. They actively discourage players from participating.
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Absolutely right.
Itâs bad game design. Gatekeeping the gear behind required rating does nothing for the game.
You keep casuals from participating, which means longer queues, more meta comps, and unbalanced matchmaking.
It also gives other players an unfair advantage in a system thatâs supposed to be based on skill.
And the one thing itâs designed to do, keep casuals from getting the good gear, is already accomplished via the point reward system. It would take an avg player the entire season to get 2 wpns. Maybe longer.
If youâre good at arena, then your eyes should be on the mount and title. Which will be a lot easier the more people participate.
Nobody did.
You think you do, but you donât. Again, we see Blizzard knowing everything we do not. We did not ask for this but it was a non existent problem they needed to fix and now, well, its sad. I was so hyped about BC and arena since I never did a ton of it originally and now I see myself just shaking my head.
It truly feels like they do not want us to play their games or enjoy their games. I swear it feels like that from an outside looking in perspective. It is almost as if they get upset at the notions we would enjoy how the game used to be designed.
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I laughed when I seen the guy who made the thread asking for dual spec apologize and take it back after they announced this change. Given how they twist what you want Iâm thinking since ion and co. hate flying a nerf to fly speed out of left field would not suprise me at this point
Why do people keep on comparing the changes to TBC Arenas to Retail? There has not been a rating requirement for Arena gear in yearsâŚ
You know what expansion did have rating requirement for gear though? TBC did. And yes i know that that wasnât added until Season 3. But this is more like TBC arenas then Retail arenas.
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They will! They will take a suggestion every time and redesign it to the point you wish you had never said anything. It is insane.
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Someone said you needed rating to upgrade it?
idk anything about retail.
To upgrade yes, but to get it, no.