Which letter don’t you understand … the N or the O? When AV is a lost cause for alliance before we even get in, the enthusiasm is very low.
Seriously alliance queuing again won’t impact much anyway because the horde fanbois outnumber alliance by heaps.
Actually many do want long games… but it would be nice to at least have a chance to win.
You’re welcome Alliance…
not gloating at all. I’m not happy about it, but I did expect it.
If I’m being completely honest, I do like PvP activity in AV. Turtles CAN be fun… but only when people are working together with that same mind. Alliance is generally still stuck in the rush Drek and die mentality.
The frequency of 15v40 Alliance vs Horde at the start of matches is pretty absurd. However, those matches do often become fun PvP fests in some ways, because Alliance is essentially forced to just go on D. It’s a guaranteed loss, but PvP happened.
Regardless of the fun however, it should never be mistaken to mean that clearly unfair and game breaking exploits like the multiple ways to scale the cliffs of the Alliance base can go unfixed. It’s ridiculous to see players (pretty much only Horde) defend that. Sure, you can always go back to defend the base, but it’s still an unfair and extremely powerful exploit if left alone. Especially if a larger group of Horde do it, which has happened. Practically every game I’ve been in had at least 1-3 players using the exploit.
Show us an Alliance version to be used on the Horde base to such clearly powerful degrees so easily and irregardless of class and we’ll call it even. One of the ways to scale the cliff at DB doesn’t even involve jumping. Just running into the wall lol. I’ll even accept being able to scale the cliff at IBGY. Scaling the front fence that still makes you have to go the literal exact same path is not an exploit, just to get that out of the way.
I see people bring up the Drek pull, but Horde can do that too. It’s not an unfair exploit, but is also one that should be fixed. To call that an unfair advantage for Alliance is like saying Discord is an unfair advantage. Anyone can do it, right? Unlike Drek though, Vann is practically no threat to a group, but that’s a separate matter.
Which letter don’t you understand … the N or the O? When AV is a lost cause for alliance before we even get in, the enthusiasm is very low.
Seriously alliance queuing again won’t impact much anyway because the horde fanbois outnumber alliance by heaps.
So are you just really, really dumb, or do you just like being a crybaby…or both?
“horde fanbois outnumber alliance by heaps” if you werent an idiot and actually checked if that was at all true, youd see that its a completely false narrative every ally seems to think is true for some reason.
As per wowclassicpop census:
Over last 14 days: 202k Horde level 60s, 186k Ally level 60s
Over last 7 days: 119k Horde level 60s, 130k ally level 60s
Weird…its almost as if there is no faction imbalance AT ALL. Server imbalances are irrelevant since BGs are cross server and there are plenty of ally dominated servers as well.
The only difference is ally dont queue for BGs and pvp nearly as much. So thats the horde’s fault, and anyone on horde who doesnt like 20 min queues should reroll because of that? Sure that makes tons of sense.
Ally are exploiting the system in order to not only have same server premades, but coordinate cross server premades AND regularly exploit being able to pull drek solo. Its funny, all weekend whenever I didnt face a premade, horde won at least 75% of the AV’s…so that must be why yall have to exploit so you can win. And mind you, thats even with the fact that AV is FAVORED FOR ALLIANCE by default. Just all around straight pathetic.
Maybe actually have a clue what youre saying before talking straight out your as*, all this crap somehow blaming horde for the queue times and ally acting like complete victims crying wolf about a non existent “faction imbalance”. The issue isnt the horde, its alliance exploiting and ruining queues for anyone NOT in a premade due to when that premade drops queues(which happens all of the time) it creates a game where it starts off with 5-15 ally vs 40 horde.
But sure, its hordes fault, and theres a faction imbalance. Go cry wolf elsewhere moron.
Imagine being this wrong about everything, and getting this angry.
AV favours the Horde- it only favours the alliance if Horde decide to fight on the bridge, but there’s an easily exploited backdoor to AS so even that’s not an advantage. IBGY is the best choke in the game, horde archers can prevent mounting from Galv all the way to FWGY with only the area by IBGY that’s clear- and also prevent drinking/eating in front of the RH while Alliance ones are barely a nuisance except on the Bridge.
AV also starts Horde with such a massive headstart that they hit Balinda and can cut Alliance off at Balinda- basically giving you the entire Field for free. It’s such a large advantage that Horde can kill every LT first and then still be contesting Alliance who have no choice but to kill Galv first to have a shot at winning that ‘race’.
Horde are directly responsible for all your queue problems- directly attempting to make Alliance quit, shutting down any discussion on balance with ‘quit, reroll’ spam, spent phase 2 exploiting everything from safespotting to MC duel bugging. Even now, forcing turtles so you can drive your own queues up.
You wanted Alliance to quit- many did, now you have a problem with queues. If there were no imbalance, you wouldn’t have queues, it’s really that simple.
I hope you enjoyed your ez mode phase 2, because you’re spending the rest of the game in queues of your own making. 
just started this week to grind av rep for the healing offhand and 21 games later, i haven’t won a single game. i also only get 300 honor and maybe 20 rep per match that lasts 20-40 mins: i am not even friendly yet which sucks. at this point, i don’t think i will bother and wait until bwl/aq to release instead b/c it is evident that alliance have no idea how to pvp. i expect horde wait times to go up and up as more allaince just stop queing. have fun with that.
Lol, this is hilariously ironic.
You realize youre losing this matches like this because of your own faction right LOL?
Rest of your faction is exploiting to create cross server premades, when there isnt supposed to be any premade AVs and horde cannot premade. And because of that, whenever their premades drop a queue (which is often) because not enough people get that AV, youre left with a BG where it starts with 5-15 ally.
Its literally ENTIRELY your own factions doing. All this ally playing the victim stuff is so incredibly pathetic, there is no faction imbalance overall, the horde are not the cause of long queues and are not at fault for simply choosing horde; its literally ally fault for these premades and just in general not pvping as much as horde do.
It is technically both sides fault horde que times are long becuse of the amount of players you should have known that would be the case it always has. GG alliance premades are screwing the solo quers when you abandon a que. GG horde your ques will just keep getting longer as long as you keep turtling? I personally think its funny less ally will que for a guaranteed loss in a 45 minute game. Go ahead both sides keep going at the rate you are and you will destroy pvp in classic wow. Just my 2 cents.
you sound mad.
chillax, it’s just a game.
Reminder- Horde can only pvp when it’s a premade that has a 5v1 numbers advantage.
Queues are going up for Horde because you decide to turtle, it drives up match length which in turn, drives up queue times. You keep crying about queue times and blaming Alliance- it’s 100% Horde’s fault you have queues, and it’s 100% Horde’s fault they keep getting worse.
That you have such queues and still can’t admit there’s a faction imbalance is kind of sad- even most Horde are finally ready to admit it, it seems you’re just desperate to think you’re good at pvp when the reality is you can only win with a numbers advantage- and because BGs don’t offer that you’re frustrated.
Also- calm down, once you accept you’re to blame and come to terms with it, you’ll be a much happier person.
AV favours the Horde- it only favours the alliance if Horde decide to fight on the bridge, but there’s an easily exploited backdoor to AS so even that’s not an advantage. IBGY is the best choke in the game, horde archers can prevent mounting from Galv all the way to FWGY with only the area by IBGY that’s clear- and also prevent drinking/eating in front of the RH while Alliance ones are barely a nuisance except on the Bridge.
AV also starts Horde with such a massive headstart that they hit Balinda and can cut Alliance off at Balinda- basically giving you the entire Field for free. It’s such a large advantage that Horde can kill every LT first and then still be contesting Alliance who have no choice but to kill Galv first to have a shot at winning that ‘race’.
Lol youre so incredibly clueless, that you dont even realize youre clueless. This is not a subjective topic, its something that has been discussed many times before and even devs have said that AV is in fact, ally favored. So all the BS you just wasted time typing is just nothing but you being a clueless crybaby, congrats. And saying AV “starts with Horde having such a massive headstart” is just unequivocal proof that you are probably very new to classic and have absolutely no clue what youre talking about. Its literally easier and faster for ally to zerg their way all the way to Drek AND SP keep is 10x better protected than FW keep, the “backdoor” is irrelevant and only really helps rogues potentially ninja aid station which shouldnt happen unless youre bad. There is no arguing any of this, its been discussed many times over before, youre entitled to have your delusional opinion though.
Horde are directly responsible for all your queue problems- directly attempting to make Alliance quit, shutting down any discussion on balance with ‘quit, reroll’ spam, spent phase 2 exploiting everything from safespotting to MC duel bugging. Even now, forcing turtles so you can drive your own queues up.
Yikes LOL. So continuing to play the victim card hard and doubling down on it huh…? Too bad thats not an actual argument and nothing you said is remotely valid.
“directly” attempting to make ally quit…? Like what? Hilariously delusional statement. Dont think most horde give a single f about making ally quit let alone “directly”.
spent phase 2 exploiting safespots and MC duel bugging? Oh yeah, because thats something ONLY horde did…right LOL. Again, incredibly delusional statement.
“Even now, forcing turtles so you can drive your own queues up.” What lol…? Apparently any defending of an Ally zerg is “turtling”…right, you clearly never played AV in vanilla. If the horde just matched the Ally zerg and played 0 defense, you realize the ally would win every single time, right? They would get there quicker and easier, take less damage and down drek before horde could do the same to Vann. Again, there is not arguing that this is something that is just objective fact. The horde strategy to beat an Ally zerg is simple, slow them by Balinda, and have some recall from offense when the zerg gets to FW keep and spend 5 minutes or so wiping them while offense pushes to Vann. When executed properly, its a 15-20 min horde win. You just want a 8 min ally win where horde just roll over because ally get instant queues and its better honor/hr that way, except it isnt for horde so why would you expect the horde not to use that strategy and win…?
You wanted Alliance to quit- many did, now you have a problem with queues. If there were no imbalance, you wouldn’t have queues, it’s really that simple.
Again…what in the actual f are you saying about people wanting Ally to quit? You just sound incredibly salty and keep playing the victim because of your own experiences on your own server. You realize there are plenty of servers that were ally dominated and horde couldnt do anything too right? So not sure why youre acting like all Ally are just these poor victims that are getting “revenge” (despite the fact, if you roll on a PvP server…you literally sign up for that).
And its really VERY, VERY simple and im not sure how you cant comprehend it, but the logic that “if there was no imbalance you wouldnt have queues” is so blatantly stupid and wrong im surprised even you, yourself cant see how dumb it is to say that. Less ally queue for BGs and PvP, while of the horde population does. Its literally that simple. I just gave you recent census numbers and youre just willfully ignoring them because it doesnt support your “but were victims and theres a huge faction imbalance” narrative that apparently is practically dogma for ally. There is no imbalance across all servers.
Enjoy being this delusional and salty, and keep playing the victim, its incredibly pathetic.
There is no premades, only people that communicate on discord…
lmao, this is a new one.
This is full of dumb misinformation.
We couldn’t pvp In P2 since it was a constant 5+ v 1. Don’t come in here acting like you’re a rank 1 arena god wpvp lord of the known universe.
I personally give a damn about the queue times. I wish we didn’t have useless RP servers doing thrower 1 hour long self faction griefing strats everytime they flood BG chat.
This is full of dumb misinformation.
We couldn’t pvp In P2 since it was a constant 5+ v 1. Don’t come in here acting like you’re a rank 1 arena god wpvp lord of the known universe.
People seriously still making this tired, dumb argument…?
There were servers where ally couldnt do anything in p2, there were servers where horde couldnt do anything in p2 as well. Crying about it and acting like ally were exclusively victims of this is just nonsensical and isnt a valid argument anyway. Either way, if you signed up on a PvP server and this happened to you, then the blame is on yourself and yourself only. That was the reality for anyone signing up for a PvP server at the start, no one knew if it would be heavily ally dominated or heavily horde dominated when it came to world pvp (well, im sure you would have been able to tell a month or so in and rerolled before it was too late I guess).
Also, it actually is literally true, hes correct. The reason why horde queues are much longer is mostly because less % of the overall ally population seriously PvP and BG and a larger portion of the horde, do. Go do yourself a favor and go look at the recent census results across all servers for level 60s. Ill give you a hint though, theres absolutely zero evidence of a large faction imbalance, and in fact over the past 7 days there have been MORE active level 60 allys recorded than horde across all servers. Weird, huh?
The queue times are also due in smaller part to the all the cross server or same server premades the ally are exploiting the system to create. All the ally who are NOT in those premades get shafted and have a horrible time due to the fact that whenever those premades drop queues (which is fairly often), an AV is created where the ally are started the game with maybe 10+ people and at an obvious HUGE disadvantage which leads to them getting virtually no honor and just farmed while horde dominate the BG. That is their own factions fault, not the Horde’s fault.
Your poor English teacher is rolling over in her grave!
All I want for Christmas is for you to use a paragraph because that was horrible.
You do know that, its discord that allows hundreds of players try login at the same time, people are randomly ending up in difrent AVs, then people that did end up together go to separate rooms in discord and play out that AV…
If that is your defininition of “premade”, then your wrong on the internet ! … you do know you could use the voice feature that wow have built in ?, does that make it a premade ? 
you got critted by +17 wall of text ?
Im typing while in an AV, and on a WoW forum. I don’t really care at all about proof reading my comments or being grammatically perfect.
Im glad you’re deflecting and commenting on the very loosely written nature of my comment, instead of actually posing any valid counter argument (id guess, because you cant). So what happens when I take the unnecessary time to actually make sure my comments are grammatically perfect? What’re you going to cry about then? What’re you going to deflect towards then? Ironically you’re the one who looks dumb as hell for such a stupid and invalid response, but hey I’ll play along and type as if its a college dissertation, just to make you look silly.