AV que times getting into 2hrs?

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I am very sorry but I have no recollection of all the Tactical problems that some alliance are expressing in this thread! This graveyard that graveyard, the Horde this the horde that etc.

AV layout is the same as in Vanilla. And Alliance was wining more than half back then without rushing to any general, by fighting it, communicating capping graveyards to advance the line, and concerted push and lots of fighting.

There was no Chokepoint, that could not be overcome.

Is the Horde holding you at Stonehearth, Push Snowfall, from it attack Iceblood, and advance to Frostwolf graveyard, and then it is a big Fight in the Hordeā€™s front door and you have to fight to push in and get the general.

And let the Horde stay at Stoneheath fighting no one if they wish to, just make sure to have some Defense in base and be ready to come back and defend if need be.

Why do you think there is a Trinket that teleports you back to base? Use it when its needed!

You have to be flexible as we were back then and throw the bulk of the force in defense and Offense as needed.

Did alliance forget to fight? I do not think so.

What I think so is that many people from Vanilla that are Back simply chose to play Horde more than Alliance this time around. It is what it is now we have to deal with it.

So any Veteran PvPers that got in to Alliance, please share your knowledge and teach the newbies how to fight. If we all learned back then new players can learn again. We will just have to take some losses during the Training period :slight_smile:

I been leveling through WSG, and, it is not stong I tell you. Alliance getting massacred most of the time, especially in 40ā€™s tier and apparently 50ā€™s too.

There is just too many Alliance players who do not know how to play WSG, do not know what do do how to react how to Teamplay. It is bad.

While Horde, PUGSā€¦play like if they were premade because they all follow the plan, know what to do etc. They are not in Comms necessarily. They are just veteran players that know what to do. It is like bicycle, once you learn you do not forget it. But when only 2-3 of us in a team of 10 know how to sprint and the rest need assistance wheels, how do you expect to win it?

Teamplay > Levels

Keep on fighting and get better at Teamplay Alliance!

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As I said your w/l ratio is against bots, afk, questers and maybe 15 willing players. You also get map advantage and exploits. Stop complaining and patting yourself on the back. Your time will come as it always has. When ally dominated av, horde boycotted. Get over yourself. You arent beating alliance. Alliance is beating alliance

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If you dont see the difference between spgy and ibgy, there is no helping you

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Retail pvp is exactly like classic pvp just with no honor and titles.

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You are trying to argue with someone who fought the Big AVā€™s in vanilla, the 19 hours long ones non stop from start to end.

So I am not hindered by the fact that one GY has some tower closer to it or farther to run etc etc, for me these arguments are excuses.

Get around it find a solution like a Team. It is possible I done it, and I am willing to teach it to others. All we need is Teamwork and the understanding that solutions exist to all problems.

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Not even 1 lock? :cry:

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I was there in av when it last days and warlocks summoned groups. You still have no clue if you cant recognize the difference between those gys. Until you can your opinion means nothing to me

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I invite you to read this post I made detailing the issues Alliance players have with AV and then talk to me about how itā€™s no big deal.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/request-to-revert-av-to-an-older-version/432685

Alliance used to win in AV in classic because it was a different version of AV. This version is hot garbage that only existed at the end of vanilla when the pvp system was already over and no one cared.

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You like your breaks enough to make a forum post about it. The ques wont change anytime soon, and will most likely get worse.

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If you want shorter ques, you should stop scorched earth policy. Why would alliance pug que to get 0 honor and lose every match?

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A lot of Alliance afk in the cave now or donā€™t bother playing.

As we all know the maps in-balance and the lack of Alliance coordination allows Horde to steam-roll Alliance each and every time, well 99% of the time.

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If you look at the ranks of the losing games, alliance has 90% under r6 and horde has about half above r6. Horde high ranks enjoy pvp, alliance high ranks are carebears who want bis gear for raiding. The carebear pvpers donā€™t care about helping pugs win anymore than they do pugs in pve. The only r12 or higher in alliance pug is afk in the cave, while several horde r12 are smashing the frontlines.

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Yea thats why are queues are always so long.

But I do agree horde imbalance is our fault; which led to scorched earth because we waited 1hr+ in queue.

If I can convince a few friends to join me to reroll I will its going to hurt leaving my 2 horde 60s tho.

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Honestly, this right here is the fix to the queue. If more people rerolled alliance strictly for pvp, it would greatly help the queue situation.

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Iā€™m not gunna quote your whole post lol. But while I agree with your strategy talk it just doesnā€™t happen in classic. Alliance have ā€œinstantā€ queues(with the fake 2 mins now or whatever) itā€™s better to lose fast and requeue than win a 2 hour long AV. Nobody cares about winning, because winning doesnā€™t matter in classic. Unfortunately honor/hr is everything. Classic pvp is hot garbage, and I honestly feel bad for anyone who actually takes it seriously.

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AV was literally the only BG I could get my wife to play with me from Vanilla on because it was a pve based BG and she hates pvp.

AB and WSG are where the real pvpers go.

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If you want to pvp go to WSG.

Horde are only crying because they have to wait for their free win.

Honestly I canā€™t wait for AB.

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Naw we crying because we have to wait for everything. Win, lose, join ending game, join premadeā€¦ it makes no differenceā€¦ We are waiting. Who has time to wait 2 hours for a BG? not me.

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Alliance were winning more before 1.12 av in vanilla because of all the mobs on the map.

Ask yourself why the win ratio changed so bad for 1.12 and didnā€™t fix itself until the sunwell patch when the horde spawn was pushed further back.

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And that sucks because horde were designed with the most OP pvp racials, so all of the minmax hardcore PVPers will go horde, meanwhile alliance have best PVE racials so all of the hardcore minmax PVEers go alliance, so you end up in your situation where there are so many hardcore PVPers on horde, but no real PVPers on Alliance.