Yeah, if that’s how it worked in vanilla, then that’s fine. If they’re changing things just for Classic, then I have a problem with it.
Not really. As I said…
Now there’s no reason to hold the Horde off. Just AFK entirely.
People farming rep will do so by getting 3 marks as quickly as possible. Turn in crystals until Druids run out, then AFK until Horde win. Prior to this change, the Alliance would continue to fight the Horde back and hold objectives as long as possible, to the point of winning, in fact.
In a game that is supposed to be a faithful recreation of the original World of Warcraft, I’m always going to be more upset at Blizzard’s attempts to “correct” anything.
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Seeing as the Horde win 90+% of the AVs, I think they have a leg to stand on.
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The Druids were held hostage for rep turn-ins. They could never leave to get slaughtered, which is why people complained.
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Seeing as they have huge advantages to gain that 90+ win%. No they really don’t. Horde that roll alliance toons can attest that ally have a massive mountain to climb to even be able to hold ibgy.
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We’ve all seen the constant spam of alliance downplaying the real issues they have and being hyperbolic about their disadvantages.
Still not convinced the map is the reason for the 90% win rates
Maybe like 60/40 win loss split, but that extra 30% is pure defeatist attitude and afking
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You can test this out through war games. But if you roll an alliance toon and join on av weekend you will clearly are why alliance loses. Actually weekend has people actually trying to win.
We have already gone over the real issues time and time again. Let’s not do it here…again. om tired of people having to explain it over and over to zug zug until they finally concede.
Go. Do. Some. Research. It’s on these forums and I’m not your personal google so use some keywords in your search to find them
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By “research” you mean, “only read the posts that reinforce my confirmation bias”
Im not interested in reading more defeatist alliance circle-jerk threads
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My god. Go play a game and auto lose for a while and see if you would have a great attitude about it. Horde players have even discussed how favorable the BG is for them. Go read some of the other threads about AV and save some time talking about this topic again with the same thoughts and opinions.
Oh, and enjoy your growing que times
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I could care less how long AV queues are, the REAL bgs have sub 10 min queues, and sometimes even sub minute queues
AV now days is just extremely boring with the alliance just staying in choke points never pushing back.
Last AV i did about a month back (synced queue with people i was helping rank) i ended the game with 72 killing blows, just blasting people at the choke points while almost nobody put in any effort into killing me
It felt like i was attacking NPCs with how passive they were
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Flimsy attempt at not caring fails. This topic is obviously important to you.
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I havent played AV in months. I miss nothing… Nah, I do miss it a little bit. I used to have fun killing LT’s and Commanders and killing 1v2, 3’s and 2vX’s.
I wont step foot back into AV till the cave is moved or they make it where horde rez at FWGY if they die anywhere near IBGY, instead of the cave. I"ll be happy.
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OK, I just played one game with my alliance to see the changes and any complaints. The game was pretty much the same as always with a horde win at 31 mins and no chance to get south of SHGY just like normal. Yes, the backdoor was fixed but since the graveyard spawns weren’t changed there will be no change to how the games play out on NA servers.
From chat, the alliance are basically thinking it’s pointless now to bother with it. I could see one of two things happening over the next few weeks:
- Fewer alliance queue due to the rep grind being harder but the ones who do try harder, driving horde queue times up but making the games more competitive like AV weekend. Horde will continue to queue like always as the win is still almost always in the hordes favor.
- The rep farmers stay and alliance just let the games end whenever the druids are done, horde continue their 30 minute wins but just camp the graveyard cave more often. The horde queue times go down, due to the alliance not rep farming for hours, but the remaining alliance are even more likely to AFK etc as it is even more disheartening to play as alliance in there than it was.
I think Blizzard wants the queue times to go down for horde so they want #2.
Maybe it will be a combination and the horde queues will just go up more. We will see.
I will go back in a few weeks and check it out again. I otherwise have no desire to queue for that BG on either faction unless it’s AV weekend.
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Or we will just stop queuing to the only imbalanced map in the game and play AB instead?
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Ok buddy, you can go be the change you wanna see.
Let me know how it’s going 100 AV games in as an alliance and we can discuss where your mentality is at then.
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Why? So i can confirm what has already been confirmed by countless alliance players already that a majority of the people in the game are not there with the intention to win?
Its not that every alliance in AV is bad or AFK leachers, its that so many of them ARE that they sandbag the ones that actually try to the point where their efforts become pointless
You cant win a 40v40 engagement if even a 4th of your team just isn’t even trying, let alone more than that which is often the case
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Yep I did it and my mind totally changed on that BG. I can’t say I understood it in the hundreds of games I played with my horde. I thought alliance just needed to try harder too.
The same people will continue saying the same stuff regardless. I get what they are saying but more will likely have to change to bring alliance back into the game. At this point I just see longer horde queues and the same alliance problems.
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This cow is correct. I have said this before and I have no clue if its still like this now a days cuz I havent played AV in months.
But, its already hard for alliance to win due to the map imbalance. That when you add 5 leechers, 5-10 afk’s. Do, the math… you arent winning a 40v40 match when in actuality its 40v25. Hence the 99% win rating and blizzard doesn’t give a damn.
That is why if blizzard doesnt care, why should I. I just don’t queue for it.
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The fix had to be made because AV was turning into just a giant rep exploit.
If it kills AV, so be it. Just wait for Classic Season 2 when they wipe everything.