- Hundreds of posts in this and other threads stating the map is the problem
- 1 person, probably, saying Horde Racials are the problem
This guy:
I’ll take completely missing the point for $1,000.
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You jumped in here to talk about racials?
No one is whining about racials, except you. And YOU’RE WHINING ABOUT THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE IN A SIEGE BASED PVE BG?!?
Why are you all so dense?
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What do you mean missing the point? It’s literally what people have been crying about above.
For example…
So, what are you talking about again?
Dense? Dense Stone? Or did you jump to assumptions?
Congrats on ignoring the 435 posts above that guy and the 288 posts below that guy to cherry pick him and act like his is the mainstream argument against AV.
I’m convinced you scrolled through this entire conversation just to find the one argument you could actually contend with, because you know there’s no denying the real problem which is the map.
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It’s worse than you think.
He’s actually talking about the regular low level non elite Rams.
Listen mate, you just unnecessarily had an outburst and suggested rudely I’m dense, then I provided you with a DIRECT example from the first page of this thread of the conversation I’m responding to - and instead of acknowledging your mistake you’re now double downing on your error because it would mean taking an L on your ego today of jumping to conclusions.
There’s a lot of posts about Horde Racials in this thread, use the search functionality to locate them for instances.
There’s no need to be a dickhead mate, just expressing my view like the others are - but as a Horde member this is predominately the main argument I encounter and I find it pathetic.
Edit: See you guys in AV this weekend
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You actually complained about perception in a thread about AV.
Perception works great in Arena when you know a rogue is there in a small sand box. Doesn’t work so well in bgs when you’re just guessing where the rogue is.
Works very well in AV because you know who assaulted a node, or who MAY be at a node that looks abandon.
Perception is incredibly strong in all 3 BG’s and arena.
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People who mention racials as the culprit are wrong. We agree on that. But this entire thread, beginning with the OP, has been discussing the map imbalances and how to fix them, because the map imbalances are the real problem.
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Just to clarify I’m not complaining about Perception, I just wanted to give an example of racials that directly impact specific classes.
The range of Perception is actually insane, especially with a Warlock with Goggles too - literally insane range! But, I welcome these mechanics - it’s good.
Depending on the player, if they’re decent or aware they can use perception to locate Rogues even in a very large environment.
All good mate, just don’t stop queuing for AV <3
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It really doesn’t.
Step 1 cap the node. Step 2 stand 5 miles away from it in stealth.
If its a human rogue its still pretty simple and range is limited just wait for them to start capping the flag. Any other class if you think you’re going to get caught by perception just prevanish.
WHAT?!?!
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That I am okay with, if there’s mutual agreements on the whole racial argument - it’s an instant trigger I see in almost every BG related thread.
In terms of the map balances, separate conversation - but I’ve always had the impression the Alliance had it the best - especially as a Rogue where I’m traditionally (pre rush metas) directed to focus on capping Bunkers. In this instance, I find Alliance Bunkers much more troublesome than Horde Towers, as the archers in a Bunker are positioned in a way to attack when capping the bunker (not in all) whereas Towers you have a little hut you can hide inside to cap.
Just little things like that
So basically eliminate the possibility of countering a human rogue, because you are far enough away that he cant see you because you are far enough away, yet so far that you cannot react to his counter cap.
Gotcha.
I have several rogues and main a human rogue, also mained a human rogue in the original go around of WoW. I know how powerful perception is, its crazy balls good for human rogues.
A short buff to avoid detection and extremely effective in Arena, but in most Battleground situations this is not a good idea.
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You’ll be surprised mate, there’s not much room for us to run after being located - especially if you pop perception / hop on a mount and scan the area.
If you find this difficult to locate Rogues with Perception, you gotta up your hunting game my frent
Since you both think it’s so trivial to be forced into combat with a ram from fear effects. Let me highlight why it has an effect.
Warrior charges in aoe fears, 1 horde feared into combat with a ram, the ram is now fighting, healer gets aggro from healing and is now getting spell pushback. Sure we try to turn and kill the ram really fast, but that still reduces the damage done to alliance for a few moments and causes pushback on our healer which can result in a death. It’s not the most reliable of assets toward alliance defence, but it is there and I have seen it.
Now let’s say your forced into combat with 2-3 of them. That’s a lot of healer pushback until they are dealt with.
“So my legs been chopped off, and my pinky hurts, gonna be hard to win the race”
“God, why are you complaining about running in the race just because your pinky hurts, if you try hard you can get over it. ”
“Ummm, I mentioned my missing leg, reattach it and I should have an even shot”
“Well now you are just moving the goalposts alliancetard. In the olympics not having legs was ruled an unfair advantage. If it’s a benefit for an Olympic runner then you random people should be able to capitalize on it as well”
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No, you can’t. I certainly can’t heal on my paladin from within the protective cover of IWB archers.
The only person complaining about racials in this thread is you.
And then King Varian jumps out, complete with original early Vanilla patch look and everything, and inexplicably casts CHAIN LIGHTNING because he learned it from Chris Metzen himself!!
You wrote an entire nonsense fanfiction in which somehow, someway, Horde are disadvantaged because of a non-elite Ram aggroing into a clump of 25-30 players… because of spell pushback.
The thing that Healers don’t stress over because they have talents to mitigate it specifically.
The thing that is entirely unlikely to happen because indiscriminate AoE will murder the ram before it even makes it to a Healer.
SPELL
PUSHBACK
Holy crap dude just give it up.
QUAKE IN FEAR PUNY HORDE!!! WE HAVE NEUTRAL NPCS YOU MAY ACCIDENTALLY AGGRO!!! NEVER MIND THE FACT WE CAN KILL OUR OWN RAMS!!! FEEEEEEEEEEEAR THEM!!!
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