Imagine being Horde and complaining about losing in AV
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Classic AV has been horrible and this is probably the healthiest AV meta for both factions to emerge the entire time.
Horde had trouble on launch with near-full premades when they couldnāt so much as queue with a friend or two and get in the same game, and then Alliance got mega-screwed by the cave respawn advantage for what? Over a year now? These halfway premade AVās ran by the Alliance makes winning feasible for them, without it being the chain sub 10 minute losses we got on launch.
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I was in one of these premades on Alliance over the weekend. It was absolutely amazing and it was nice to win for a change. You can only take so much of hill sniping and ganking before the bridge and the complete Horde advantage regarding choke points.
We win a few and you want this stopped so you can go back to winning 99% of the time? Lol
This is not cheating and as others have said, the map is so horrible we have no choice.
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It feels like we have come full circle where alliance are perfectly content once again to abuse premade mechanics. First time is idk 99% of their factions are streamer fans and act so prepubescent when they got to play with r@#ist swifty, lardy esfand, and I kiss my biological sister staysafe. Yāall enjoyed making so many excuses where it was the most absurd amount of mental gymnastics I seen. 8 to 12 minutes wins from exploitive mechanics and yāall kept using that map excuse like it was some kind of justification to cheat. Now here we are again, no skill, but has comms thinking itās skilled to beat a mostly pug horde team. No, horde can not do the same so stop speaking for people Annubiis. Stay on your cringy alli toon and do not speak for horde players.
Ok Mr 1500 rated player.
I guess having the massive map advantage horde have must be āskillā.
Enjoy them losses!
Horde can do the same thing, when you all zone in, spam your discord for them all to join.
SHOCKER!!
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There actually is a map imbalance, but Classic is implemented as it was in Vanilla so thatās unavoidable. Once the spawn positions were fixed the Alliance side had the advantage because the map and the structure of the two bases favored them instead and they tended to win more often.
The point here is that Blizzard took action to break up the Alliance premades a year ago and now the Alliance players have figured out a way around those actions. Thatās the textbook definition of an exploit, and hopefully Blizzard addresses that.
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Do what I want or Iām gonna get mad!!
Weāre losing so it has to be an exploit!
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weāre losing thus map advantage
Stay mad. 
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Ok so Iām like āI want to find out about this AV premade groupā since I havenāt done AV for a few months at least and Iām not in this latest Discord. So I queue for AV with one of my alliance and itās this total base race game. The horde did not try to defend. A few allies went right to the south towers and capped them while several stayed at IBGY. The horde at the top had 27 HKs (and I mean HKs not killing blows) and the alliance at the top had 8 HKs. I canāt tell if it was an ally premade or not but no discord was mentioned, there werenāt many from any server and only about 5 were higher ranks. So based on that I say probably not. There was quite a bit of precision in how it was done, however. The horde NOT defending was their biggest fault and it was really stupid on their part. Either way it was an interesting and strange game. The alliance won the game. I donāt think Iāve seen a game like since when AV first started and, I was playing as horde, and everyone base raced.
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Didnāt read.
Post on your classic toon.
Nothing pleases me more than whiny Horde tears. I love the hypocrisy of their whining when they arenāt catered to hand and food.
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Thank you @Mootwo. That sounds like what I remembered prior to deleting all modern and vanilla characters to prep for Classic WoW TBC.
Alrighty horde whiners letās recap the effects of your entitlement QQs so far.
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Horde min-max sweaties overpopulate on launch and use that advantage on PvP servers to farm alliance, especially on raid night, but HORDE QQs about login queues.
** Blizzard opens free xfers to spread out player population.
** HORDE QQs about alliance fleeing, worsening pop imbalance on a few servers. -
Horde pserver YOLOs realize that they are bad at the game when guild versus guild occurs in AV, so HORDE QQs ABOUT PREMADES to min-max the horde map advantage ftw.
** Blizzard again applies #changes to wipe horde tears.
** HORDE QQs about AV queue, but enjoys almost guaranteed wins. -
A combination of time and horde favor in AV nearly depletes alliance of players willing to do AV, so the dedicated AV players gain significantly more play time to learn how to improve a bad situation, and some agree to use discord, but HORDE QQs about losing a 99% winrate.
** ā¦ [stay tuned]
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Pretty soon blizz will put out a hotfix.
-Fixed an issue where Alliance were allowed to use in game chat services, that has now been corrected and disabled inside Battlegrounds for Alliance.
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Are you sure that will be enough? How about:
-Alliance players who win an AV will have a random epic deleted from the character used.
and/or
-Alliance accounts will have a delay timer added to AV queue of +2 hours per AV won since last reset.
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How is spamming a discord when zoning in an exploit?
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What guild vs guild? You couldnāt get a premade going Horde side at all in AV on launch, only Alliance could due to the shorter queues. I would literally try to synchronise my queue with 20+ guildies and get into a game with 2-4 of them after a 15-20 minute queue. This was also before a number of General exploits were fixed, so Alliance premades summarily beat us in 8 or 9 minutes in a PVE base race. Very outplayed, much wow.
I mean the map hands horde their free winsā¦
So ultimately AV is never balanced.
Itās almost like what Ion said in his interview about AV years agoā¦
You face a premade and itās not fair!
You donāt face a premade and have a 90% win rate because you simply start in the south on the mapā¦
Fight the pre-mades, AV still wonāt be 50/50
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Donāt disagree. As I said earlier in the thread, this is probably the healthiest AV meta weāve had.
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