Horde have ALWAYS had longer q times for every BG you twit. Even at the peak of ally players qing. The reason for that, is there are more people (a lot more) qing on horde side. Try again.
You think only Horde is affected by this? Non-premade Alliance are finding themselves entering 20v40 games because the premades are messing with queues.
Anyway, I have zero sympathy for Horde PvPers. You guys have it so stacked, Horde usually has more skilled players because a lot of sweaties went Horde this time around, to say nothing of fotm reroller shaman globaling people from 20 yards away (while giving their Warriors insane burst, popping instant heals and AoE cleansing fear / poison in a 30 yard radius.)
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Maybe he can borrow some from alliance vendor selling tissues ⌠but I doubt the alliance vendor has any left because of the continuous crying the last 16 months .
Iâd love to see that link.
Actually several people said this would happen. And now⌠Here we are.
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Iâm not denying it. I just canât remember reading it, itâs likely in the 8000+ post AV thread, and Iâm not digging.
Sorry 
I might have gotten up to get coffee or grab my amazon packages or something.
I actually thought you meant your horde hunter - I got caught off guard between coldtooth mine and fwgy yesterday morning (I was typing a paragraph in chat and just ate the hk rather than esc key out of what I was typing) but that was by a warlock so I thought it was in reference to that moment as I remember a level 52 hunter helping him/her.
Ive made no secret that Ive checked out of certain AVs at times though. Usually its when I join a game thats like a few minutes away from ending or in reference to what those other posters were talking about: its a 2 hour game still hovering around SPGY and now Im in the horde mine pickpocketing if not tabbing out to check the forums while I wait for the game to end.
All that thread is is the lvl 25 tauren named after a fart arguing with everyone he can anyway. 100% not worth reading
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And we are all now dumber from having read your giant wall of âadvantage Hordeâ text. #sigh. It gets old reading Horde and Alliance players who clearly have a bias toward one faction or the other âinterpretâ changes as if they are intended to âbenefitâ one side or the other. The âback door fixâ being Horde benefit was pretty hilarious, but my personal favorite was the âdruid fixâ being a massive Alliance negative justifying the exploit behavior.
I realize that this thread is nothing but a massive whine fest / place to air grievances, but this post takes the cake. It single handedly justifies every Alliance action while not advancing what little constructive conversation there is to be had on this thread one bit. #bravo. You win the thread.
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For my part Ive always said Id be fine with a horde cave push back. I dont see it drastically altering the landscape in AV for either team. If it does anything it alleviates alliance complaints about its positioning but thats it.
The real âproblemâ with AV is that its asymmetrical. As such, it lets each team myopically focus on one small area of the map and make claims with no context (current game situation, team comps and so on) whatsoever and with zero regard to extenuating circumstances (queue times, overarching meta etc).
What is said about IBGY can be said about any GY in AV when one zerg is camping a GY and another is deathballing to it. Ive already been a part of more than a few dozen games where we are farming horde at SPGY for 60 or more minutes and I havent seen one horde complaint about it even though its more or less the same scenario.
Long story short the problem is with the way the map is played, not its layout.
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Odd I gave a solid reasoning why I notice you completely ignored it like you do with every argument because you have no ability to counter actual arguments and all you can do is make false claims.
You want me to change my opinion bring facts and arguments, too bad in a 8k+ thread not one of you map denier managed to do it even once.
I said it makes the bridge a stronger turtle but that does nothing to help allies win.
So the biggest change to affect the outcome is that it makes it harder for alliance to call ram riders.
Seems pretty straightforward that it actually was a horde benefit.
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I admit, pinning horde in the cave and farming them with treebeard was a very fun and hilarious turn of events.
Horde have enjoyed 90%+ win ratio for almost a year. Youâve no right to complain
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They corrected a few things some months ago. If you donât know that you probably didnât do an AV since 6 months.
They corrected backdoor for a start.
Yes but what changes favored the alliance part like you said?
They corrected both back doors so that hardly favors alliance?
Iâm not sure I understand why youâre asking me, I wrote it up :
Correcting backdoor is a huge plus for alliance. It means horde can only get in alliance base by the gate. Alliance doesnât have that problem to enter horde base. There is at least always two spots to enter any part of horde base.
Yea cuz us backdooring you was really a huge concern this last year 
Youâre really something, always complaining about huge map disadvantages favoring horde. Yet when we prove you wrong, you will always come up with something.
Itâs called bad faith. You just canât argue. Itâs your way or the highway.
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You have never proven anything wrong that discredits the map being in favor of horde
lol I just clearly did and all you can do is laughing cause you know youâre wrong and there is nothing you can argue about my example. I donât care if you donât use that map advantage, itâs in favor of alliance.
No you didnât.
You didnât prove anything or disprove anything.
All you did was speak bad english and made up data.