AV Discords are ruining the experience

There’s not much you can do in between queues. You have 20-25 minutes. In my experience hardly anyone leaves battlemaster rooms between queues.

OK, so New Recruits are unable to play with their friends, on the majority faction? There’s quite a bit of WoW Players that play, together, with their friends. And, we’re, essentially, separating them to be out, on their own. Making them not want to play, anymore 'cause they can’t play with their friends :cocktail:

Correct me, if I’m wrong, but do you need to be in the Battlemaster Room, while sitting in a Que? Or are you able to work on Quests, Level (if you’re not max level), farm some Mats, etc., while sitting in a Que? :cocktail:

Then the new recruits can faction change with their friends.

You don’t need to be in the Battlemaster Room while in queue, you just need to be in there TO queue.

Ah, so they all have to faction change, in order to play, together? So, the Veterans have to “re-roll”. The point of recruiting is to help out their new Friends. They can’t exactly feed them Gold, if they Re-Roll. I’m only saying this 'cause I was a Recruit, for a dominant faction, when I first started. My Friends had helped me, get by :cocktail:

I think that does more harm, than good. And will chase away people 'cause they’ll be unable to recruit more of their friends, to play with :cocktail:

Awesome, so you’re able to still play the Game then, unlike the ones sitting in Ques, just to log into a Server. That’s the difference :cocktail:

Yes. They all have to faction change if they want to new friends to join their server playing on a dominant faction.

That isn’t how people play the game.

It doesn’t really matter. Blizzard will make the necessary changes to halt AV premades and to mitigate queue times. I expect they’ll come shortly.

Even if they’re not playing with their Friends, restricting what people can play is off-putting :cocktail:

It matters, when you’re trying to argue that BG Que times equate to Que times, for trying to get into Servers. They’re not the same thing :cocktail:

This is complete BS.

And Blizz voice chat wasn’t released until 2.2 (TBC).

Players have been using voice (ventrillo, teamspeak, mumble, etc) since way before wow existed.

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Nah, it doesn’t matter. Changes are coming. Out of necessity. It isn’t 2005, the game can’t be played as it was in 2005. BG queue times are as big an obstacle to pvp-oriented people as server queue times are to everyone else.

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You want to be able to play with your friends by joining the dominant faction on a server. I want to be able enter BGs within 10 minutes of queuing in the limited time I have to dedicate to PVP in Classic.

Are you even on a PVP server?

There is a sad yet hilarious fix to this. Rerolling Alliance will get you quicker queue times, especially since there is currently no way to fix the pvp population imbalance. Keeping what little pvp Alliance community from queuing together will only make Horde’s BG experience worse unless they implement Horde vs Horde battlegrounds or mercenary mode.

In the context of:

it matters. The two Que systems do not compare. One Que still allows you to play the Game, while the other one, does not :cocktail:

So far, the changes you are proposing, are looking unlikely to be implemented and are not necessary nor reflect of our current times. The suggestion to limit one from playing the dominant faction has never been implemented, into WoW. It’s not even in Retail. Proving that it’s not a necessity nor reflective of the times :cocktail:

I want to be able to have access to what I paid for. Restricting players based off of unreliable numbers (at the time) is a sloppy band-aid fix, and I’d actually quit Classic, if this were to be implemented. Never, in the history of WoW, has this feature been implemented. Probably because it goes beyond just the scope of “PvP” :cocktail:

The only “restriction” is if you’re on Gankfest Servers. Gankfest Servers restricts you to one faction, depending on which faction you choose. PvE Servers don’t have these restrictions :cocktail:

I am not, but you’re talking about “balancing” Servers. You didn’t specify you were only thinking about restricting Gankfest Servers, even further :cocktail:

If we were trying to implement a “balance”, since BGs are Cross-Realm which includes PvE Servers (and RP Servers), your “suggestions” will, also, impact these Servers :cocktail:

The most blizz could do (and I dont think they will) is remove the bg #.

You have access to what you paid for. You just wouldn’t be able to roll on the dominant faction on servers with heavily disproportionate populations for one faction over the other. If you don’t like it, roll elsewhere. Right? I mean, that’s the solution you give me under the current circumstances.

For many of us PVP is the primary motivation for playing Classic. It’s clear it isn’t a priority for you.

I have no idea what Blizzard is going to do to address the issues. I’m throwing ideas out into the ether. What I do know is they’ll eventually do something because the complaints are only going to get worse and worse over time. They’ll cave soon enough. They want our shekels.

That’s not having access to what I paid for :cocktail:

I would never re-roll, I just wouldn’t play. I want to play what I want, and faction balance shouldn’t have an affect, on that decision. You’re hurting the Game rather than “saving” it :cocktail:

And I said before, this restriction is not even in Retail, meaning people like choices. And I’ve never told anybody to re-roll. It’s always an option, but I’d, also, want people to stop playing the victim card and take some responsibility, for their choices. This is Classic and not a WoW 2 :cocktail:

I beg to differ:

I don’t doubt this, at all. I think your vision is very short sighted, and you only care about one aspect of the Game. You want to make all these changes to appease one aspect of the Game, with no regard to the damages you’re causing, to the rest of the Game. This is much bigger than “PvP” :cocktail:

Yep, and they’ll do it while keeping in mind of their entire Classic audience :cocktail:

You have access to what you paid for. Roll the dominant faction on another server.

I can’t roll the dominant faction on a different server, when you have that blocked. According to your “suggestion”, that is :cocktail:

Sorry, I was in the middle of an AV farming rams and soul shards because it’s just as fruitful as actually trying at this point. I meant the underrepresented faction.

That’s kind of my point, though. I pay for this game and should be able to roll on the dominant on the faction, if I want to :cocktail:

When you take away players’ freedoms, they’ll just be turned off and find something else. So, instead of growing the game, you’re diminishing the game :cocktail:

Nope. That’s going to be a hard disagree. The experience of the collective majority is more important than the whims of the picky minority. You’re free to roll Alliance on one of the balanced or underpopulated Alliance servers if you so choose to roll Alliance under this system. You’re assuming people will inherently agree with your ideological nochange whims, when people ultimately want to have fun. Unbalanced servers aren’t fun. 25 minute queues aren’t fun. I’d wager a bet most people are willing to sacrifice minor conveniences for an overall better play experience.

You seem to think this is a server faction issue. Its not. Yes, more PvP servers are horde dominate but since BGs pool all realms, at least in NA, of all types then server faction balance is meaningless. Less Alliance play for PvP, it was this way in Vanilla and its remained this way in Classic. There is literally nothing blizzard can change to make this go the way you want.

Hell, add the join as group/raid button for AV but how long till we have to tinker with match making to make it prefer premade vs premade as they used on live previously? It still doesnt change horde queue times even without it trying to match premade vs premade.

I also get the feeling that everyone has this “Other horde will role/switch to Alliance so my queue will be better” mentality. Thats not gonna work either.