Not every game was a base race…
It was more common but it wasn’t the only way AV was played.
there also the argument that since they wait 2 hours a for av they are more whiling to try hard. I know i certainly can and since its a 95 % win rate many geared skill player join the queue.
I have seen some insane skill played from alliance but its fairly rare. I cannot imagine how depressive it would be to carry 39 people who already believe there is no point in trying .
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That’s fine keep being confused about why alliance does just fine in the other two BG’s and why horde queue times for AV keep going up.
Ok so lets take a second to school you like the child you are.
So if we are looking at SPGY and pushing into DB for the bridge choke we have a couple scenarios to look at.
So when the Alliance control SPGY the bridge is irrelevant because it is behind the points of conflict and so provides no help to either side.
If the Horde take SPGY then all alliance who were defending SPGY spawn in the opposite direction of the bridge so the bridge does not help them.
If the Alliance give up SPGY and hold back in DB to use the Bridge to defend the Horde can wait till SPGY hard caps and then push through the bridge when spawns are even, and they will have aerial assaults and Lok vs a couple of bunkers, so the stronger NPC units, giving the Alliance time to defend and eventually lose cause one well timed push or Lok getting too big and Alliance can no longer defend from the bridge and lose.
Now even if we accept your statements which have been easily shown to be wrong, but for the sake of argument I will grant that alliance have a defensive advantage. They then have to push past the IWB choke and as soon as the push to SHGY they have given up that advantage. So AT BEST your claim that the alliance can take advantage of the Bridge gets us back to fighting at SHGY, Alliance would still have to fight to take and Hold SHGY and then push past the IBGY choke which is DEMONSTRABLY much stronger than the bridge. and then push to FW and RH.
How anyone could say this is balanced is beyond stupid.
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So? A faction can be terrible at a particular BG.
Horde spent a decade losing AV and IoC in retail. It happens. Its happening in classic, it just so happens that the alliance are on the short end of the stick.
Theyre on the short end of the stick because their faction has wholly embraced the premade hph meta for ranking purposes and the horde have a whole lot less time to waste when youre waiting 2 hours for a single battleground.
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Definitely has nothing to do with the massive cave imbalance!!!
Because that’s not the scenario. The scenario is that the map is so massively imbalanced at literally every point. lol
i like how you edited lol in
So what your saying is somehow you can’t go south into the valley south of aid station and assault the SPGY with those people, who when killed spawn in the cave to continue attacking the hordes backline and killing healers.
You have at least 10 people on aid station side of bridge and 10-20 on SPGY side of bridge resulting in 10 available Rez and 20 Rez because dying at SPGY side of the bridge results cave Rez.
You are not using your defenders advantages properly and blaming the map.
Let alone the fact you don’t even aoe the bridge.
And if you go to the cave Rez and need to be at air station you have a trinket for that.
Sooo…again
You are not using your defenders advantages properly and blaming the map.
Yeah it really can’t. Either alliance pugs are worse than horde pugs or they aren’t. And as they aren’t on the othe two maps… seems to be a map issue not an alliance issue.
That’s literally not what I edited. I removed a redundant word. But this whole thing is an exercise in how morons like you want to feel like special skill snowflakes rather than admitting the map is broken. So follow those delusions!!!
Of course it seems imbalanced when alliance are not using their own advantages to any degree.
And those are…
And completely ignores the fact that even in the best most coordinated situation all that advantage does is get us SPGY back and is gone as soon as we push to SHGY…
also ignores wing commanders and Lok. Its almost as if you are incapable of looking more than 1 step ahead of things.
But then again what do you expect from someone who gets mad when someone explains simple game theory to him and doesn’t understand it.
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I don’t think horde are better than alliance at PvP in general. But the caliber of alliance playing AV vs the caliber of the horde playing it are vastly different because of many factors, like HPH, alt rep farming, instant que causing leechers, exc.
dont get personal. I will admit i dont know what it need and dont know what it could. I dont have the knowledge what could be done.
All i have is my personal experience and how reflect to them.
by the way … You wanna go ? Just occasion of calling someone trash after we really get decisive player kill is always something i value.
Still not saying what the alliance map advantages are…
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Weren’t you the one falsely claiming what I edited to dismiss and smear me? lol, you’re a delusional joke.
You can hold 40 horde off at that bridge with about 20 alliance.
So why are the other 20 alliance not on offense down south?
… It’s not the map, You are not using your defenders advantages properly and blaming the map.
I’ve said what they are, but all of you ignored it in the 100 other AV threads I ha e out it in, Even what I put in this thread has been ignored.